Hokey Pokey Politics
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Hokey Pokey Politics
#1 - Renaming Oceans and Reimagining Borders
This episode dives into the unexpected announcement of renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, exploring the implications on national identity and the politics surrounding it. Through a lively discussion, we examine the intersection of historical naming conventions, immigration, and the impact of such proposals on cultural heritage.
• Discussing Donald Trump's Gulf of America announcement
• Examining the historic significance of the Gulf of Mexico
• Analyzing how name changes impact national and cultural identity
• Debating immigration policy and its connection to America’s heritage
• Exploring America’s relationship with foreign nations like Greenland
• Questioning the relevance of name changes in the current political climate
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Choose that which you choose to be angry over. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Golf of America, though we got to talk about it.
Speaker 1:I mean we have to.
Speaker 2:This is what we're after. This is the pressing issues that we've got to worry about. Golf of America.
Speaker 1:Can't talk about it right?
Speaker 2:now. Oh, okay, yeah. Why can't we talk about it right now?
Speaker 1:Because we have to intro the show.
Speaker 2:Well, let's intro the show. You ready to go?
Speaker 1:I'm ready all right, three, two, one. Oh so we're really intro to the show, did you just?
Speaker 2:I was just. I was just ready to just jump right into it, but I guess, whatever I mean, I guess we need the intro of the show. So what are we doing here, todd? Tell the audience what, what do, okay.
Speaker 1:Ready and start again, no just go, just let it eat. Okay, welcome to Hokey Pokey Politics, episode one.
Speaker 2:Episode one.
Speaker 1:I am your host, Todd Filone.
Speaker 2:And I'm your other host, adam Bugos, bugos, whatever it is, 12 aunts and uncles, and they all say it different. I like Bugos, that's fine.
Speaker 1:So Hoke, uncles, and they all say it different. I like that's fine. Uh, so hokey pokey. Politics is an idea born out of, ultimately, our friendship.
Speaker 2:Yes, um you are. You would call yourself center left.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, fair, fair and I would call myself right. No, but I'm on the skirts for sure you're definitely over there. I'm hard right, yeah and so we wanted to develop a show where we could talk about issues, ultimately to show the world that you can disagree politically, that it really doesn't affect your life a whole lot, true and you can still remain friends.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:So that's what Hokey Pokey Politics is there, it is. And the name came from. You put a little left wing in, you take a little left wing out, you put a little right wing in and you shake it all about.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait. You didn't take the right back out, though. The right can't go in and stay in, the right's got to come right back out.
Speaker 1:No, I did it right. Okay, right, exactly, yep, I mean, we're still shaking it, though we are, we are. All we are.
Speaker 2:We are All right, so I just I can't get over this. We had an agenda Breaking news today.
Speaker 1:We had an agenda coming in and 30 seconds before we started the show, it was brought to our attention by the lovely Amelia Yep that Trump made an announcement today.
Speaker 2:I can't even I can't even get through it, man, I'll let you say it. He wants to name the Gulf of Mexico. I can't even get through it, man, I'll let you say it. He wants to name the Gulf of Mexico. He wants to change the name to Gulf of America.
Speaker 1:Right Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.
Speaker 2:Like this is the pressing issue for today's times. Yeah, you know, we've got all kinds of issues in the country, but, man, we can't have Mexico, we can't have their name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this is where you and I are going to agree. Oh god, this will be the first, the first episode and the only time ever because I agree with you, this isn't even something that should be in the discussion room, right, right? Yeah, there's so much other stuff yeah, I personally don't care if they call it the gulf of rat poop I mean yeah, but it's the gulf of mexico.
Speaker 1:It has been I. I looked this up as we were setting up. It has been since the 16th century, okay so this isn't the mexican cartels.
Speaker 2:This is, this is.
Speaker 1:This is long before there, okay this is spanish explorers that named it Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 2:But what's he going to do? Even when he tries it? And it's going to be like the Sears Tower in Chicago, it will always be the Sears Tower. It's the Willis Tower. It's been the Willis Tower for 20 some years, but everybody still calls it the Sears Tower. It's always going to be called the Gulf of Mexico, or the Gulf of Mexico, it's what? Or the Gulf, I mean, who cares? I just, I don't know. It blows my mind.
Speaker 1:Well, I can almost guarantee you that the only country that will recognize as the Gulf of America is America.
Speaker 2:If it's changed, right I?
Speaker 1:don't, I don't care if they change it, so I'm not on the side of. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:How dare you change the name? Names change all the time.
Speaker 2:I don't care about that.
Speaker 1:But again, why are we even discussing this Right? When I heard about it, I thought it was going to be the same as when he said he was going to make Canada a state. Right it was total satire.
Speaker 2:He was just poking the bear. Yeah, you know, it was the same thing, right.
Speaker 1:But I just watched it. I just watched him saying it and it seems serious. It seems like this is on his agenda.
Speaker 2:I mean the only thing that I could see and I'm not for this by any means, but it's always been the Americas.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't be for it, regardless of what it was. Oh.
Speaker 2:I don't know about that, but it's North America, they're Central America, like I understand the Gulf of America. In that sense, that's not what he's doing, though.
Speaker 1:Well, what if it was the Gulf of the Americas?
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%. It is the Gulf of the Americas. That is, by nature, exactly what it is. But he's not doing it for that. He's doing it because he's a freaking lunatic.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know that. I'd say it's because he's a lunatic, but I think he looks at it as well. What he said was we own it. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1:I don't know if we own the Gulf of Mexico or not. I'm not privy to that information.
Speaker 2:I mean, wouldn't that just be international waters?
Speaker 1:I would think Three miles out right.
Speaker 2:Right. I mean we've got oil rigs and stuff out there, but I don't know how that works either. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I know the oil rigs are more than three miles out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know how it works either, but that was his claim is that we own it. So we might as well call of America, because it has a nice ring to it.
Speaker 2:Oh, it does, huh.
Speaker 1:I don't think it has any nicer ring than Gulf of Mexico does.
Speaker 2:No, not at all.
Speaker 1:And maybe that's just because how I've always known it.
Speaker 2:Right, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Right, but to me it's.
Speaker 2:What would you do if you wanted to change the name of New England, if you wanted to get rid of the New England Straits or the New England States?
Speaker 1:You know what I mean saying like yeah, if you wanted to call New England. New America right, I mean to your point.
Speaker 2:It doesn't change what, it is right the Sears Tower is always the Sears.
Speaker 1:Tower right, new England's always New England. Right um Gulf of Mexico is always Gulf of Mexico yeah yeah yeah, I don't know it's. The only time it'll matter is a hundred years from now, when nobody remembers the Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know sitting in a history book somewhere.
Speaker 2:Right, nobody's going to read it. Hey, this is what it used to be.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1:It's not going to make any difference for the next 50 years. But again, why is this an agenda item?
Speaker 2:I have no idea.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's the same as the Greenland stuff right now that I was telling you about a little bit ago. Like his son is in Greenland today, like Junior is there today because he wants to talk to them about a diplomatic way that we can take over Greenland. It's a military strategy for him, which I get. But there's avenues Like, if they want to do it, what I fear is it's going to be no different than Puerto Rico.
Speaker 2:For some people it's yeah, it's an American territory, but we're not going to give them the same stuff. We're not going to give them the same abilities, the same electrical grid, the same. You know what I'm saying? They get kind of hand-me-downs type stuff. That's how I feel about them. But you look at Guam or you look at any of these other places where it's all military, strategic places, I get that. But if the people don't want it and I don't know why they would, and that's the other thing you think about what would happen if he did, if he truly said you know what we want to take Canada. We want Canada to be our 51st state. They would lose their healthcare, they would lose their ever loving minds.
Speaker 1:I mean their healthcare would be replaced.
Speaker 2:With what? With what we have.
Speaker 1:Probably. How else would it work?
Speaker 2:Exactly that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You can't just so you're using this is going to take us down another rabbit hole, but you're using the healthcare word and that's not what you mean. This is my problem when anybody ever talks about healthcare Right they're not talking about health care. They're talking about insurance.
Speaker 2:Who pays for the health care?
Speaker 1:They're talking about. I don't want to pay for my health care, so I want an insurance company to pay for it. Yeah, I mean, first of all, it's not going to happen.
Speaker 2:I don't think no, I hope not. Secondly, if it did, happen?
Speaker 1:I mean, you say, you hope not, but at the same time, how much are we subsidizing Canada?
Speaker 2:I mean not as much as we would if we freaking owned it. Can you imagine, I mean that would be? There's not a ton of industry there. There's, you know, a lot of it's service industry stuff. You know what I mean. There's some tourism, there's some of that stuff, but it's not like you've got major. You know. I'm sure there's some auto plants and some other stuff up there, but it's not like you're going to have a booming economy that you're taking over. Not that Canada's hurting and that they're dying off, but they're their own little. They can handle themselves. They don't need us to intervene and tell them how they need to do things Like I.
Speaker 1:just I think it'd be a terrible move. I don't disagree that it would be a terrible move, but my point is why is Canada even in existence right now? Why are they able to be their own little entity? I'm leading you somewhere.
Speaker 2:Of course you are.
Speaker 1:Because of our military.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So that's how we're subsidizing them. They live in no fear of an outside entity trying to come and take them over, because they know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're not going to let that happen. We're not going to let that happen. We share way too big of a border with them for that.
Speaker 1:Our military is literally subsidizing their way of life and their you know peaceful existence right, yeah and to me greenland makes a hell of a lot more sense than the gulf of america yeah because at least there's a strategic reason behind it right, yeah what's the strategic reason for changing the name of gulf of mexico?
Speaker 2:literally. I mean, if he wants to change something, get rid of daylight savings. You want to be a freaking hero in this country? You have the ability right now. Do it, yeah, but no, I'd rather be like I want to build a wall. I want to do like you're not well, I'm all for the wall? Of course you are. We've got way too many immigrants.
Speaker 1:Come on man.
Speaker 2:How many Come on?
Speaker 1:How many immigrants do you, how many illegal immigrants do you want flooding into this country?
Speaker 2:How many do you see right now?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't live in a big city, but in a big city there's a lot.
Speaker 2:Do you know that I talk?
Speaker 1:about them all the time who.
Speaker 2:Of course they do. The ones on the right, I mean you've seen them taking over hotels and, and one time, one time, that's canada or colorado. Yeah, I mean, no, it's terrible, they got what they had coming like. They got what they got, but I just it is not. It is a.
Speaker 2:It's no different than was it 2018, 2018, the caravan of immigrants that were coming up from South America, and I mean it was every day on every news station. Oh my God, this is this caravan. There's hundreds and thousands of them. We have to change this election. This election has got to go to the right, because they're going to be able to stop them. The election didn't go to the right. It went hard to the left and the caravan dissipated. I don't think, truly don't believe, the caravan dissipated. I don't think it ever existed. You could be right. I think it's just a fear tactic and that's. It's an easy, low hanging fruit. And you look at any of the far alt-right leaders and it's all. You always go against the immigrant, always, you go against the outsider. You, you, you pin them as as you you go against the outsider, you pin them as an enemy.
Speaker 1:You don't go against the immigrant. Never have we gone against the immigrants.
Speaker 2:Us. We've never been alt-right before.
Speaker 1:Never have they gone against the immigrants.
Speaker 2:Who.
Speaker 1:The alt-right. What do you mean Never have they gone against the immigrants, Wait?
Speaker 2:what do you think Hitler was?
Speaker 1:You're in a different place yeah, germany first.
Speaker 2:I mean that was his thing, yeah, yeah. So then you look at you, look at you, look at putin same thing. He hates people that come in from outside. He arrests every american he can arrest. He gets you know, I mean like they just they well, they're nationalists yeah, they're nationalists. That's exactly right, and that's exactly what you're seeing here no, that, that's not what you're saying oh, that's exactly what I see.
Speaker 1:I mean, I see no difference whatsoever than when you have some—. This country welcomes immigrants and always has.
Speaker 1:But you have to do it through the proper channels, Okay, and if you're not going to do that, you don't belong here. Okay, and we're in a time and place in history when we shouldn't be allowing any Tom Dick and Harry that wants to come to this country to make a better life for themselves into the country. If you're not willing to come here and assimilate into our way of life, which is what you're claiming to seek if you're not willing to do that, coupled with if you don't have the ability to provide for your own family, then you shouldn't come here. You shouldn't be allowed to come here. We have enough drain on our system just with our own citizenry.
Speaker 2:I don't. I don't disagree with that part, but I but. But here's the thing. I don't think it's the issue that it's being made out to be. Well the Crime stats are not out.
Speaker 1:The border patrol statistics have what Three and a half million that came across the border this year.
Speaker 2:Is that different, or is it that there's more people tracking it? I mean, is it that, or has this been happening forever?
Speaker 1:Does it matter?
Speaker 2:No, but the thing is, if they didn't have somewhere to go, if they didn't have somewhere to work, if they didn't have somewhere to make money, they wouldn't be coming here. But the fact of the matter is you can go to Tyson Foods right now, you can go to ConAgra in Iowa, you can go to Nebraska and you can get a job. Today. They'll help you get a job as an illegal immigrant. You'll be paid off the payroll and they love the cheap labor and they will work circles around every white guy out there.
Speaker 1:I am all for stopping that. I'm all for it. You can't though.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's just, they've tried that, you, just you, I mean so it's so, it's a chicken egg thing.
Speaker 2:It absolutely is. But here's the other thing who do you think is picking all the lettuce in Canada or California? It ain't the white guys, and if it is, your lettuce prices are going to go through the roof because they're not going to work nearly as hard. They're not going to do it. It's no different than you and I both bitched about the cost of our roofs and we both know what kind of people were on our roofs fixing them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they did a great job they did 100%.
Speaker 1:I'm not opposed to immigration. It has to be done legally. They're not here legally we have to know who's coming into it.
Speaker 2:I don't disagree. I don't disagree, but we even took the benefit of that. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Well. I didn't hire him. I didn't even know who was coming, right. You know, I hired a roofer yeah, a local roofer with a with a you know a well-known business. I didn't know who he was sending. I was as surprised as anybody else. I was happy with the work. They did a great job. You know, those guys are people that I would be happy to welcome here, but they still have to come through the proper channels. Now, I'm all for making those channels easier too, right.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think, if you made it easier, if you made it where people could get through, why wouldn't they? They're risking their lives. They're paying like insane sums of their own money to get across this border. You know they're shoving their kids across the border to try to get across this border. You know they're shoving their kids across the border to try to get a better life. If, if, if America was so terrible for you and your family that they were starving and they were miserable and you could sneak them into Canada and they could be. You know they get across the border and they're okay. You both you, we both know we would do what we had to do.
Speaker 1:Probably, probably, but that still doesn't, it still wouldn't make it right and it still doesn't mean I don't want to stop it here. Right, we've got too much of it. Any of it for me is too much.
Speaker 2:Right Any of it.
Speaker 1:We're supposed to be a sovereign nation that starts with a wall, Any nation. That's how it is. You know, you go throughout history.
Speaker 2:The first thing they did was build a huge wall around the city, both so they didn't get invaded, but also to keep out people that they didn't want there. And there are. I don't want people coming here that are just a drain property management business. We see what can happen when, when you get given free money over and over and over again, the mentality that that feeds it's not good and but I think the narrative that these people are coming here. They're all all and I know you're not saying this, but they're breaking the law. They're rapists, they're murderers, they're they're drug dealers, they're they're you dealers, they're the scum of the earth. A lot of them are doing what they did for us. They're working their asses off, they're putting roofs on, they're working at restaurants. They're doing the work that it's available because nobody else wants to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the issue isn't so much that there are hardworking people as well. That's not the issue. The issue is where there's a leak. You don't know what's coming through, so I'm not willing to accept the good, hardworking guys along with, you know, the Middle Eastern terrorists that are using the same routes and the drug lords and the guys that are sex trafficking and all of that that are using the same routes. Sure, there's some good people coming through, but there's a heck of a lot of bad people coming through too.
Speaker 2:Why do you think it is that there isn't a wallet between Canada and the US?
Speaker 1:I think it's a difficult place to cross. It's a lot of wilderness, but that's one of the things that I believe is about to change.
Speaker 2:There's no way. I mean. The thing is, when you get there you've got thousands of lakes where the border goes through the lake.
Speaker 2:I think the reason we don't have to worry about it is because Canada is a sovereign nation. They have the ability to organize for workers' rights, they have healthcare, they have benefits that keep them a industrialized society. Mexico, on the other hand, isn't. You don't have the ability to organize union rights. You get paid what you get paid. The cartels have taken over main parts of the government. If we were to spend money, why wouldn't we help them become a sovereign nation and then we wouldn't have to worry about it? If they had their own jobs, they had their own businesses, they had their own way of life, and it was a way of life that they could sustain themselves.
Speaker 1:So once again, it's our responsibility.
Speaker 2:It's not, but we're trying to hold them out instead of helping them out. We're pushing them instead of saying hey, we've got a recipe that works.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's true. I think we have helped them out many times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean, the only way to defeat ongoing corruption in a country is to take it over. That's the only way. So if you're okay with that if you're okay with us marching in taking mexico I mean how they're aiming it.
Speaker 2:You know little america, no joke god I mean establishing our way of life. How'd that work in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Speaker 1:We weren't allowed to do it.
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:I mean, you were there.
Speaker 2:I didn't go there, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, you were in. I thought you were in Iraq. Anyway, where'd you go?
Speaker 2:I didn't go anywhere, fort Sill Oklahoma. No, I thought you went somewhere, no Fort.
Speaker 1:Sill Oklahoma. No, I thought you meant something there. No, Shoot Respect level dropped.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fine, that's fair.
Speaker 1:Much deserved. This was. My whole problem with Iraq is, for the first two weeks of the war, we were allowed to go hellfire and brimstone. From where was it? Qatar, kuwait, kuwait? From Kuwait to Baghdad. Once we started, we were in Baghdad in two weeks. Nobody on our side got killed Because we just went balls out. Everything the military had took it. Once we got there, then all of these ridiculous rules of engagement got put in place. We weren't allowed to secure the border, so you had infiltration from the north the entire time and it turned into a crap show.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we were there for way too long. If we had gone in from border to border the way that we went in the first two weeks, shut the border down, established control of the country and took it over, it would have been a whole different game. But we didn't do that. And same thing in Afghanistan we go in and we police, state these countries.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Instead of conquering these countries and taking them over and winning the damn war. I mean, we haven't won a war since World War II and it's because we go in hellfire and brimstone, establish a front and then we police state.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's not how you win a war.
Speaker 2:Well, there was, there was. The hope was that there was no occupation. Occupation we didn't want to look like we were occupiers.
Speaker 1:Right. I mean the bottom line is if we're not going to take it over, we need to stop going. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We just need to stop doing it. We have Americans dying for no reason, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was when my unit was over there. Um, they were I can't remember what time they're in ramadi maybe but they, they were route clearance. So all they did was clear routes to there's three bases I'm gonna get them all wrong, but hit the web um falugia, andadi, and they would take food to the other bases and they would take supplies. They weren't helping themselves, they weren't helping anybody else, they were just getting supplies to the other places where they needed to be. And then they would get blown up multiple times, ambushed, and it wasn't. They weren't there rebuilding Iraq. They weren't there. It was literally. They were there just to sustain themselves.
Speaker 2:And it was terrible. I mean, morale goes down. You're not, you're not in there, people don't want you there. You've got people, you know, and there, you know, there was. There's a whole thing to unpack, but there were Iraqi citizens who were there to help. They were translators and they were really, they were good people. But then you would get some that infiltrated, that weren't that would suicide bomb and they would. You know, I mean it was just. It's terrible, like, so I agree why we took the front on that. I know, you know, 9-11 was the root cause, which is BS, because there was no Iraqis in any of those planes, but probably oil. I mean, in reality there probably had some some oil stuff there.
Speaker 1:Well, in Saudi Arabia has always been a, you know, quiet ally of ours. So even though that's where they came from you, know you can't do anything about that. So let's make a show. And I mean in the beginning I was like, okay, saddam Hussein, bad guy, let's go, let's take him out In the beginning I was like, okay, saddam Hussein bad guy, let's go, let's take him out.
Speaker 1:But as the war went on it became pretty clear that it was just a crap show. Yes, that never should have happened in the first place, why we ever stayed in Afghanistan as long as we did, how horrible the pullout was from there. I mean, the Russians fought there for how many years and didn't do anything.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And then we go in behind them. Why?
Speaker 2:right, you know, let let that country do what they're gonna do itself right yeah, we.
Speaker 1:We have no reason to be there. There's literally nothing there that is of any interest to us right yeah there's no strategy there? There's no honestly, greenland makes more sense than afghanistan. Does you know?
Speaker 2:what I mean on a, a strategic front. I get it Like I do. I. Just the last thing I want is the US to be that country that now takes over other countries because we want them.
Speaker 1:Well, and I don't think that's what this is, but I agree with you. No, I don't want that either.
Speaker 2:Right, If they don't want us there. Here's the other thing. If Greenland's like, we would love if we were part of you, we would love to be part of your country. And they have a vote on it and it's two thirds majority say yes, let's do it Absolutely Like. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not opposed.
Speaker 1:But if it's not, but what you can't do, though, on the same token, is you can't say no, we don't want to be part of you, but we want all of your protection Right and we want your money. And we want your support Well that's— In every way, shape and form.
Speaker 2:So my guess is and I could be totally wrong here but the play here is let's act as if we're going to take you through force or one other way, or you can just let us put a base on. You know we'll we'll pay a market value for the land, plus some. Let us, let us put a little air force base out there. Let us put you know what I mean. Like I could see that happening. We've got air force bases all over the world. I mean they're everywhere. So like why wouldn't you have a forward operating base in Greenland where you have missile silos?
Speaker 1:Do we not have one now? I don't know, that would surprise me.
Speaker 2:I don't know why you wouldn't. I mean, it's such a perfect spot to be able to get missiles anywhere in Europe quickly, you know, or buy some more freaking submarines, if that's really what you want.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's what they want to do is put a submarine base out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That would make sense too. Right too right. It's a great place to launch subs from, but you know, we have too many countries ukraine's perfect example that wants all of our money and all of our support and has gotten it, including weapons. Ridiculous, but that's another topic. And yet what are? What's our benefit?
Speaker 2:I mean, I think we made out like bandits here. I think we we're the like, we're damn near geniuses on that front.
Speaker 1:In what way?
Speaker 2:So the government hands them money.
Speaker 1:Other than the Bidens being able to run their money through that country.
Speaker 2:This is jeez, okay anyway. So this is no different in my mind than when you have a lemonade stand out front out in front of your house and the kids come by and they can't afford lemonade, so your mom goes and hands them a quarter to go buy a lemonade at your stand and then they buy the lemonade off you. This is the same thing. Okay, we give you $10 billion.
Speaker 1:And you buy Russia for us no.
Speaker 2:They turn around and hand us the 10 billion dollars back and buy all of our ammunitions and buy all of our Patriot systems and all of our Hand-me-downs, more or less Of all the missile systems and F-16s.
Speaker 1:How does that benefit us at all?
Speaker 2:Because we get the money right back. We get the money right back and then we get rid of all of our old technology to let them beat the shit out of Russia with it.
Speaker 1:That doesn't benefit us. That's our money. To begin with, we didn't gain anything?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just that. So I'm saying it just passed back around. But here's the thing Our second rate, third rate, fourth generation garbage that we sent over there is kicking the hell out of the number two military, and we're not even the one manning it. It wasn't all second rate that we sent over there I mean, I don't think, but I don't know that we put anything over there. That's that you know they don't have. You know the, the f-35s or whatever, the the?
Speaker 1:the fifth gen fighters fifth gen fighters?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't think they have. They don't our up-to-date missile systems. They're using the old Patriot systems and now everybody in the world wants them. So what we've done is we just said hey, look what we can do here. So now you've got Poland and all these places that are like oh my God, give me some, I want some, I'll buy them, all you systems, and give them to you, while we've got better stuff than what we're handing out Like I think it's brilliant. It's go time for me.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pick up my kid. Oh, we can wrap up there, all right. Well, we didn't get to Hold on, did we get to anything?
Speaker 2:on our list.
Speaker 1:So we were supposed to talk about crime.
Speaker 2:We were supposed to we're lack thereof.
Speaker 1:Doge. We were supposed to relax there of doge and we were supposed to talk about doge. I'm excited about doge and I shouldn't, and here's here's what's going to happen. This is always a big letdown for me is, anytime the government says they're going to do something that I'm excited about, they just completely screw the pooch on it yeah and then I'm not excited about it anymore right um, it's just a big slap in the face and it happens every time and I know better, but this one I'm excited about.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I think it's been a long time coming. We need to make government more efficient. I'm hoping that they're going to do what they say they're going to do. I'm really hoping they abolish the IRS, but they won't. No.
Speaker 2:God, no, unless. The only way they're abolishing the IRS is if they go with the flat tax.
Speaker 1:Oh, please go with the flat tax.
Speaker 2:They're never going to do it.
Speaker 1:They're never going to do it.
Speaker 2:They need to, it will never happen.
Speaker 1:They need to the IRS and our tax code and our way of reporting taxes every year, which is completely unnecessary, is such a burden on the citizenry of this country. It really needs to go away, and it'd be so simple to make it happen.
Speaker 2:You have a lot of accountants that are going to be against that. You've got a lot of very rich folk that are going to be against that.
Speaker 1:You know what, when Henry Ford automated the building of the car, there were a lot of wagon and wagon wheel manufacturers that weren't happy. But oh well yep. Progress is progress and you can't stop it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't, I don't disagree.
Speaker 1:Those accountants will find other ways to make money and you're you're still going to need accountants. You're still going to need people to help you do your books.
Speaker 2:Well, that's the thing I mean. You get rid of the IRS and the policing service of the IRS. Why are you going to pay your taxes?
Speaker 1:Well, you pay your taxes.
Speaker 2:Take your chances.
Speaker 1:You pay your taxes every time you buy something.
Speaker 2:Oh, if we go to a flat tax, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean, but I don't know that that's on the table, no I don't think you can.
Speaker 1:You can't abolish the IRS without changing the way that we pay taxes. We have to change it to a system where everybody pays taxes, and that's the beauty of the flat tax Everybody pays taxes.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Everybody across the board.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And we'd have more money than we need. We already have more money than we need. We just need to spend it better, right, or not spend it at all, which is ultimately what Doge is supposed to accomplish. Doge, jesus.
Speaker 2:Department of accomplish, doge jesus. Department of government efficiency. For those that don't know, yeah, it has nothing to do with the doge coin that elon made four years ago. That ended up being a big, freaking ponzi scheme in itself it's probably where they aren't they all, though? They are, yeah, but the fact that he jumped in on it and you're gonna be able to buy teslas with these someday, and then it's just able to buy teslas with these someday, and then it's just that guy.
Speaker 1:That guy I mean, if hawk to a girl can jump in on it, make money, yeah, she might go to prison, though. But if somebody came to you and said, hey, we can make this coin and you're gonna make a lot of money, you would, you would not do it.
Speaker 2:I don't know man, you would do it. We talked about doing it before with cory, you know, coming up with with some sort of nft, but that was but that was legitimate, that wasn't huck. Two is was literally just a scheme I understand, but I'm talking about doge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like yeah. What's the difference between him on musk coming up with doge and us coming up with an nft? Yeah, now I get it or madonna with her or trump with his, his NFTs. Or the Trump coin.
Speaker 2:Or the Trump shoes.
Speaker 1:There's no difference.
Speaker 2:The Trump vodka, All of it. I just I can't. I can't. All right, we got to go All right, we got to sign off.
Speaker 1:Thanks for listening. This is Hokey Pokey Politics, and we will catch you on the next one.
Speaker 2:Later.