Speaker 1: 0:13

All right, lights camera are you on? My ears are almost too big for this thing. My head is too small for this thing and it's not adjustable. It is too. It is. Yeah, you just pull out, pull hard. Well, I want it to shrink, though, wait, your head's too big or your head's too small. My head's too small. That's what I said. How the hell? How's that happen? I don't know, but it like sinks down on my ears. You need like a kid's version. I, I need a little pad right here and I probably get you a little yama kind of sit up there, just wear that like a yoga block.

Speaker 1: 0:46

Yes, on the top of my head, can we please?

Speaker 2: 0:48

lay a little donut, we'll get something colored in pink, all right, intro intro. Hokey pokey politics adam boogus here, episode six, episode six. This is Intro. Hokey Pokey Politics Adam Bugis here, episode six, episode six. This is Todd Pallone, if he didn't want to introduce himself. Oh, he was going to say it that time. All right, that's fair. And what are we drinking? We're drinking Knob Creek 12. It's the same thing we drank a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 1: 1:07

Well, not everybody hears every episode.

Speaker 2: 1:09

Yeah, you're right Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:20

We're both pretty big Knob fans. We both like it. So I mean, they can still see your face. I know I was trying to withhold the comment. Okay, they can see the. They can see the face, that's okay. So you wanted to talk about the january 6th pardons. Yeah, um the insurrectionists no, yes, no, that trump uh executed on he executed. He executed the pardons on his first or second day in office.

Speaker 2: 1:42

That's a terrible comment to make, but I didn't do it, I'm holding back, which is good.

Speaker 2: 1:46

So we each have a comment that we we just got a that we didn't let go. January 6th 2021 started out as a great day where we're going to go down to the Capitol. Out as a great day where we're going to go down to the Capitol. We're going to, we're going to walk to the Capitol and we're going to show Congress that they need to listen to us and they need to stop the vote, Stop the count. We got to stop the count. We got to stop a legal proceeding, a governmental proceeding. That's what we need to do. I don't.

Speaker 1: 2:15

I don't think that's what was said, but if that's. If that's the game you want to play, that's pretty much need to do. I don't think that's what was said, but if that's the game you want to play, that's fine. Pretty much verbatim. I'm used to that from Democrats, so go right ahead.

Speaker 2: 2:25

I mean yeah, and not agreeing or not listening to the facts is what I'm used to with the Republicans, so it's fair.

Speaker 1: 2:31

I mean, the facts are that he said we're going to go down there and we're going to protest peacefully.

Speaker 2: 2:38

Peacefully said we're gonna go down there and we're gonna.

Speaker 1: 2:39

We're gonna protest peacefully peaceful. What were they protesting? The vote, yeah. The counting of the of the votes, yeah, but that that doesn't mean they're gonna try to stop it, they're just gonna protest it. Okay, that's fine. I mean they have a right to protest 100. No, you can't all right so you want to talk about the pardons? I don't, I didn't know. You wanted to rehash the day, but you wanted to talk about the pardons.

Speaker 2: 2:56

If you want to rehash the day, we can do no, no no, no, I mean, I think, I mean I know I watched it.

Speaker 1: 3:02

So and you know I didn't, because in take one we just wasn't recording. I told you I didn't watch it.

Speaker 2: 3:08

Use it so that no, I, I I watched it and I don't I. What's weird with me is is this goes back to a lot of the other things we've talked about, where if people in your party are being stupid and doing stupid things, it should be okay to be like man. Those guys are being idiots. I don't agree with that, still agree with the party, still like the, the, the leaders of the party, those guys are being a little much I can do that I can, I can, I can definitely do that. And much I can do that I can, I can, I can definitely do that. And I can look at both sides and say, man, you guys are, you're taking a little too far.

Speaker 2: 3:48

And in my mind, when a person I knew a lot of those people were, they had flags and I'm not saying they went there with the intent of using the flagpoles as weapons, but ultimately that's what they became.

Speaker 2: 3:57

And there is hundreds of videos of cops being dragged out, cops being smashed up against the walls, cops being hit in the head with fire extinguishers being jabbed. One guy had broken ribs from getting hit in the ribs with a flagpole. There's one particular video that the guy just got released that, uh, the cop was down completely, I mean, looked almost unconscious and he was just hitting him in the back with his flagpole, and the thought that that the president will use his pardon power to release somebody who physically assaulted a police officer, in my mind, is just despicable or deplorable. Either one. Well, he's a despicable, deplorable right. I mean that we can do that, yeah, yeah, um, I I don't necessarily disagree with the pardons for the people who were there that were not committing the vicious acts, and I don't know how many of them there were. If you walk the halls and you weren't destroying things, yes, it is public property.

Speaker 1: 5:03

There was something very odd about that day. Okay, Because the videos that I've watched I I don't understand why the police were removing barricades and waving people into the building. That's the part I don't get, yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:19

So there are videos that were released after the fact. I watched it live on the news, like literally as it played out. I was watching it live. You could at that time get on Facebook Live and watch it from somebody's live Facebook public feed and see what was going on. And at that time they had pushed the cops back so far. They were so outnumbered that there were times where they ran back and they they ran away. There were times where they had a hold of the handrails and the people were just pushing them through I mean literally just pushing everything through and to the point that there are cops that you can watch in the video that are screaming in agony and pain because they're pinned up against the wall between the mob of people, the fence and the Capitol building.

Speaker 1: 6:07

But that still doesn't justify moving barricades to the side, opening locked doors, waving people in and then almost acting like a tour guide as you walk them through the building and then actually watch them take selfies and go into areas they're not supposed to be in, that the public's not normally allowed in taking photos and the police are just standing there watching this happen. None of that makes sense to me.

Speaker 2: 6:37

There are videos, and I'm not going to sit there and say that I know for a fact that they're not fake. There are videos of several of the insurrectionists walking through there the day before. They were guided through the building by members of Congress. They were in town already, they knew what they were doing and they were, in my opinion, scoping the place out.

Speaker 1: 6:56

So now there's nobody. I just want to make this point Nobody involved in that day has been charged with insurrection Not one person. So we really should stop calling this an insurrection and we really should stop calling them insurrectionists, because it's not true and truth matters, and it would be the first unarmed insurrection in history, unarmed being without guns?

Speaker 2: 7:24

Yes, because they were definitely armed, and I think you will even agree that you can be armed without having a weapon, without having a gun, I mean Right, but you're not going to overthrow a government that way. You could overthrow some police officers. You could overthrow a building.

Speaker 1: 7:38

You could take, not if the police officers are doing their job, what are they supposed?

Speaker 2: 7:42

to do? Mow them over? Yes, so what would have happened that day? I mean, there's one lady killed and the entire right has got her absolutely martyred right now, because she's a hero.

Speaker 1: 7:54

She broke the law. I have a very much different take than the right does on this incident, so I'm surprised you didn't know this, Miss Babbitt breaks a window feed away.

Speaker 1: 8:04

You have a government building that is supposed to be 100% secure, right? The first person that walks through that door uninvited takes a bullet to the head and then that stops everybody else. I don't disagree. That's what should have happened. The problem is I feel that way about the right, but the left thinks they can storm the Supreme Court when they don't like a decision that's coming down. They think they can storm the government buildings in other cities when they don't like a decision that's coming down. They think they can burn cities to the ground. Okay.

Speaker 2: 8:40

Well, do they not? So can I honestly say that, calling that the left, that is the left. Okay. So then this is the right.

Speaker 1: 8:50

Yes, I didn't say it wasn't. And I'm saying I can look at idiots on the left and be like you guys went too far and I just said they should have been shot in the head Right First person that went through the building, right? Yes, okay, that's how I feel about it.

Speaker 1: 9:03

So if you're going to if you have a government protected, secure facility, nobody should be getting through Right. But there's a lot of problems with that day. A lot of problems. One is they were forewarned that there could be an issue and they were offered by President Trump National Guard and Nancy Pelosi said oh no, thank you. So here's the thing. They wanted that to happen.

Speaker 1: 9:27

The left is tickled that that happened because it gives them a platform to stand on where they can now talk down to the right. Fine, that's politics, it is what it is. But to say that you know video out there. So the other thing that the right knew that day was they knew there were plants in that, in that assembly, in that group of people. They knew that BLM was going to be there. They knew that Antifa was going to be there. They knew that there were going to be in. The FBI still won't answer this. The FBI has been asked many times did you have sources in that crowd? And they still won't answer it. Fbi has sources in every major, of course they do.

Speaker 1: 10:18

But there was literally there's a video of a guy who's yelling at the crowd like trying to incite the crowd. Come on, you guys. We got to get in there. We got to break these windows and several people from the right turned around and say who are you? Are you Antifa? We don't do that here. We don't. We don't act like that. They did and they're they're trying to get this guy under control.

Speaker 1: 10:40

Huh. So so you're telling me they did, though You're saying that the right did I don't know who they are Well, Trump just pardoned. Trump just pardoned them. Yeah, so if they were the left, Well, he imparted some of them too.

Speaker 2: 10:52

Then I mean that's the thing is there is zero proof. The thing is he pardoned everybody, right, but there is zero proof that there was anybody from the left there, right, zero. You cannot look at one person in that place and say you're Antifa.

Speaker 1: 11:05

No, that's not true. You're BLM. 100% that's not true. Because that particular guy, the right, has been looking for him and they can't find him. In fact, he went on. This was brought up in the Senate hearing. He was put on the FBI's wanted list as a as a person that they wanted to question. 12 hours later he was removed, and so they're asking the FBI director who is that Right? And she won't answer it. And they're saying you know who. This is Cause he was on your website one day and then the next day he was gone. Who is he? And won't answer it? So there is a problem there. And listen, it is what it is. It's the political game, I get it, but when you're talking about these pardons, so the specific, I don't know about all of the instances you brought up. I haven't done enough research, but I did look up that one instance that you're talking about, where the guy dragged the cop and started hitting him with the flagpole.

Speaker 2: 12:05

So I don't know what. What happened there?

Speaker 1: 12:06

I don't know what incited that it is absolutely wrong. No, you don't, it was absolutely wrong, shouldn't have happened. I do know that at the trial the guy said said the guy admitted he was like yes, I did, yes, I did it, I'm guilty, didn't know most of them did, didn't know it was a cop, the guys he thought freaking riot gear right. So he's like why is? Why is a capital cop in full riot gear? Didn't expect that he grabbed that he saw black boots.

Speaker 2: 12:31

It doesn't matter it doesn't matter you can't hit another human with a pole and not go to prison, and then you have the president of the United States come out and say what you did is okay, I'm not justifying it.

Speaker 1: 12:42

I'm not justifying it. What I'm telling you is what he said, and you don't get to question what he said. That's what he said, okay.

Speaker 2: 12:50

But either way, regardless if he says, oh, I didn't know if it was a cop, I don't care if he thought it was a cop. The fact is he hit another human being with a pole, you deserve to go to prison and he's not. He is now out. That exact guy is out of prison.

Speaker 1: 13:03

But do you put that same qualification on the left, 100%? How many of those rioters that burned our stuff to the ground are in prison?

Speaker 2: 13:14

Every one of them should go to jail.

Speaker 1: 13:16

But how many of them did? That's not my fault, right? But you're not all up in arms about it either.

Speaker 2: 13:22

I'm not up in arms about this. I'm just telling you you were talking about it Because could you imagine right now if Minnesota, they arrest 200 guys there that burnt stuff, they got into the police station, they burnt the police cars, they beat the police. Joe Biden comes in and says, hey, you guys are good, you're free to go.

Speaker 1: 13:40

That's essentially what happened.

Speaker 2: 13:41

It is not what happened. Yes, it is the.

Speaker 1: 13:43

DAs dropped the cases.

Speaker 2: 13:45

Joe Biden did not pardon them, which is under the Biden administration you just took 1,500 people sets of juries, people, peers in our community who sat down and sat in a trial. They took time out of their day, but you didn't let me finish.

Speaker 1: 14:01

I wasn't done with that guy. I'm just telling you what he said at the trial. Okay, that he thought it was Antifa. He dragged the guy over, he hit him with the flagpole.

Speaker 2: 14:10

Makes it all the better, fine he admitted it.

Speaker 1: 14:12

No, it doesn't make it better, I'm just saying he admitted it. He got sentenced to seven and a half years of prison. He served his sentence. He got off with for good behavior. He was not pardoned. There's a lot of them who are just criminals. There's a lot of them who are just-.

Speaker 1: 14:44

Yeah, there's already one that's been rearrested. Right, there's one that got shot, but there's a lot of them that are just criminals. Yeah, and the charges that they have that were pending prior to that incident, those charges aren't dropped. They're still going to jail. Oh, for the ones that are before that. And you're wrong when you say that they didn't get good sentencing when they were convicted. They did. In fact, the sentencing was extremely heavy. That's part of Trump's problem was the sentencing way outnumbered what they actually did? That was part of the problem. That's fine, I mean yeah, I mean that that is.

Speaker 1: 15:22

That is the case I disagree wholeheartedly, that's fine now I will agree with you if you hit someone, if you hit a cop especially I'm I'm big time you don't hit cops. I mean, if you assault a police officer, to me that's a mandatory prison sentence. Assault a police officer, to me, that's a mandatory prison sentence. So yeah, I agree with you. What I wish he would have done, I'm fine with him pardoning the majority of the people that were there, because it was definitely a political hit job to arrest that many people just because they happened to be standing on the lawn or walked in, you know, followed the crowd into the building. But if you committed a violent act, absolutely you should go to jail, absolutely, without question. The problem is the left doesn't put the same onus on its own people and that is not true at all. We just watched it happen. Man, you can't-.

Speaker 2: 16:11

Where.

Speaker 1: 16:13

Where did you see it happen? Please enlighten me. The left literally burned cities to the ground and their the da dropped the charges and you had people on the left raising money. That's his. That is his justice system. Whether or not you you want to accept that that is the case, that is his justice system.

Speaker 2: 16:33

So you had people on the left raising money to bail these people out so you're telling me that ferguson missouri which was trump's time in office okay, that was his da that didn't file charges on all those people that burnt the buildings. That was a. That was a leftist da.

Speaker 2: 16:52

No, you're in a republican county, so in a republican state in a republican and you're going to say the leftists have infiltrated. You think Ferguson is a Republican area. I think Ferguson is in a Republican. Is it in a Republican area? Missouri is a Republican area. To be honest with you, I don't know. I don't.

Speaker 1: 17:09

Does the city vote Democrat? Of course, wait, wait. Ferguson was the guy who got shot. Yes, that has nothing to do with this. Yes, there was nothing to do with this. I'm talking about half a phone. You're talking about BLM and Antifa.

Speaker 2: 17:21

That's where it started. That's where BLM started.

Speaker 1: 17:24

Okay, but you had. You had cities all across Minnesota. The biggest one, washington DC. What Two weeks before January 6th happened was on fire.

Speaker 2: 17:34

Those people weren't prosecuted for the most part Okay, and that is an issue of that. I'm not saying that it doesn't, because the thing that doesn't matter about that is these people didn't. If you are in Minnesota, you're in Kenosha, wisconsin, you're causing major crimes, you're caught, you're burning stuff, you're not just protesting. You should absolutely go to jail, and there were thousands of people at both of those places that got arrested. What happened to them? I don't know. Yes, that's not a problem.

Speaker 1: 18:04

They got arrested and then the DA dropped the charges, so they were never convicted. So everything they did is completely fine. So that's the message. That's the message that goes out Everything you did is completely fine because we're not going to convict you.

Speaker 2: 18:17

For that's exactly the message that I feel just went out.

Speaker 1: 18:20

Last week they served their sentences, though? No, they didn't. Yes, they did, and many of them did.

Speaker 2: 18:25

But now that guy who we're talking about, who beat a cop, who now to his, is now pardoned now, has nothing on his record. He has nothing on his record.

Speaker 1: 18:34

There's no way anybody's going to forget that that happened. There's no way. Regardless, and I told you, if you commit a violent act, I agree with you it should stay on your record, right. What I wish he had done is I wish he had waited for his you know, his attorney, his attorney general whatever she is, pam Bondi. I wish he had waited for her Right To be sworn in and then said I want you to look at all these cases, right. And then said I want you to look at all these cases and anybody who committed violent acts we're going to leave theirs as is. We might change the sentencing a little bit if we can. Whatever, I don't even know how that works, but everybody else we're going to pardon. I would have been happier about that, I think. But watching the left spin its head over this when we had to endure 200 days of cities being burnt to the ground, I'm sorry. I can't feel really bad about it.

Speaker 2: 19:26

I don't like it, but you know politics goes both ways, so it does it does, and I I think the issue that I have is the where I can stand back and say if you burnt a building and you're on video doing it, you're going to jail.

Speaker 1: 19:48

The other thing is, most of these people who were waiting for trial, they were in jail. Like they didn't get bonded out, they were still in jail. So they've served. They've served since that day until now. I don't disagree.

Speaker 2: 20:03

And that came off.

Speaker 1: 20:03

Most of their records Right, but they still served their time, which is way different than just hey, you've been arrested because you tried to break into a police officer, assault police, burn their precinct to the ground and now we're just going to let you go. That is way different. I don't know that. That's true. That is true, I mean. Research it and then we can talk about it next time.

Speaker 3: 20:33

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