Speaker 1: 0:13

This is Hokey Pokey Politics, where we believe politics shouldn't ruin relationships. We are two people with opposite political views, proving that it's possible to disagree, discuss and still get along. Welcome to the program.

Speaker 2: 0:27

All right, welcome back to the show the Hokey Pokey Politics. Hokey Pokey Podcast. Hokey Pokey, whatever. Hokey Pokey Politics Podcast, I don't even know. The HPPP, the HPPP, the HPPP, yes, episode 8. Episode 8.

Speaker 1: 0:41

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Speaker 2: 0:54

Wow, this is like a spicy cereal Cinnamon toast crunch Cinnamon toast, crunch right in your mouth and it doesn't burn For 117.2,. It's smooth, it's good. Yes, yeah, it is Well. Cheers, cheers, my friend Clink. Add the sound effect. Yep, there you go. So probably not a lot going on too different from the last time we spoke. Pam bondy was confirmed. Oh, rfk was confirmed. Rfk was confirmed. Today we jesus, yep. Now pam bondy's. How do you feel about him? It's kind of a wait and see for me. Okay, I like what he says he's gonna do. Yeah, you know. You know, there have been problems with the government's approach to food as early as I can remember. Right, the food pyramid of the 80s.

Speaker 1: 1:47

The food pyramid. It's all fat.

Speaker 2: 1:49

The upside down food pyramid that we were all told to live by. You know? Recently it's come out that you know red dye is bad for us. Who knew? Recently it's come out that you know red dye is bad for us. Who knew Right who?

Speaker 1: 1:59

knew.

Speaker 2: 1:59

Yeah, except all the people who've been saying it for 30 years Every other country in the world who doesn't allow their people to eat it Right, or won't import our beef Right? Hmm, I wonder why. So I don't think having the idea to make us healthier is bad. I do think a lot of what the medical profession tells us is incorrect. It really makes me question their motives. So, you know, it's a wait and see for me. Okay, I like what he says he's going to do. Okay, whether or not he does it, we'll see. What do you think about polio? Well, that's the difference between a vaccine that has been thoroughly tested and proven to be effective, but he wants to get rid of it. Still, I have not heard him say that.

Speaker 1: 2:50

I'm not saying he didn't know that's and that's actually why the there was only one republican who voted against him mitch, mcconnell, mcconnell because he is a polio survivor.

Speaker 2: 2:59

Oh, okay, I have not heard him say that. Yeah, I guess I'll have to look into that. But yeah, one Republican who voted against him, mitch McConnell, because he is a polio survivor oh, okay, I have not heard him say that, yeah, I guess I'll have to look into that.

Speaker 1: 3:09

But yeah, no, I think the polio vaccine was a godsend. Yeah, probably, and that's my fear. You know, like I hear people their argument that you know polio is not an issue, so we can get rid of the vaccine, and it's like, and then polio becomes an issue again. Yeah, that's like. You know, people aren't speeding on the highway, so let's get rid of the speed limit. Yeah, oh, does that mean nobody's going to speed now? No, it means.

Speaker 2: 3:23

Yeah, yeah, it's coming back. I mean we might as well get rid of the speed limit at this point. Anyway, nobody follows it Right. When's the last time you did?

Speaker 1: 3:30

Right, yeah, it does the exit, and when I'm leaving, the exit is about it. Uh, it's funny, though, like we've done some trips and you leave illinois and you see like cop after cop on the highway, and then you get to missouri and arkansas and wherever else you're going, and it's like no troopers sitting around waiting, there's no speed limit traps, there's no, you know, I mean like it's just I don't know, it's just dead armadillos everywhere.

Speaker 2: 3:57

dude, that is the weirdest thing I ever see those little. You know it's crazy. I don't know why this is, but it's going to be interesting to hopefully someday find out why certain biological things don't cross certain lines right. Because you go south from here and you hit missouri right and in the northern part of missouri you don't have any armadillos Right None, zero. But you hit a certain point Right and then you see hundreds of them. They're everywhere and everywhere south of that as well.

Speaker 2: 4:27

Yeah, but there's just a certain line they don't cross. And why, right? What mechanism exists inside their bodies that tells them you can't go any further north than this's definitely rfk. Have you seen where the, where the oceans don't mix it's? It's not real.

Speaker 1: 4:44

oh, it's not okay, okay, no, no, those. So those were those that come.

Speaker 2: 4:48

So okay, so that makes a lot of sense to me, because there's no reason for water to not mix.

Speaker 1: 4:53

But yeah, no, unless there's a big like where the mississippi dumps into the gulf. If the mississippi is really hot, then there are times that the temperature, the temperature difference, will keep them separate well, it probably just flows.

Speaker 2: 5:06

You know, like the temperature inversion probably makes it flow right over and under instead of yeah, like dividing line.

Speaker 1: 5:11

Yeah I did just like the air would do yeah, yeah, okay, anyway, yeah, yeah, don't well, I'm sad to know that that's not true. Yeah, I'm sorry, that wasn't legit just ruined my whole life.

Speaker 1: 5:21

I did, yeah, but there is like again, like when you get down after the mississippi floods, for example, and you get a bunch of dirt and sediment going into the ocean. It is, from what I'm gathering, a fairly stark line between ocean water and fresh water, you know. I mean where they don't necessarily line up, yep crazy, yeah. But you get like to southern southern america, south america, southern america, where I can't remember what it's called, the strait that goes down there. That's like the roughest waters in the world in south america. Yeah, it's between south america and antarctica.

Speaker 1: 5:52

There is a strait that goes through there and there's that, the maginot strait I don't remember, but like I had a family member that was on a cruise there and I mean it's like the boat is moving.

Speaker 2: 6:01

I was like on a cruise.

Speaker 2: 6:02

Yeah, I mean, it's massive waves, yeah, yeah, so that's so even you know, even if you look at mountains, right, if you've seen really high mountains, right, the tree line, yeah, oh yeah, that is super cool. There's just a line where no trees grow after a certain point, and it's definitive. You look across the mountains and it's just this definitive line of evergreens and then nothing. It's crazy. Rfk he did that, I don't know. You remember when he had a brain parasite, though no, but I find it surprising that you're laughing about that.

Speaker 1: 6:35

No, he talks about it. He only has function of half of his brain because he had a brain parasite.

Speaker 2: 6:41

Yeah, well, that's still about 34% of the rest of us.

Speaker 1: 6:46

He's got the most brains in the White House at this point.

Speaker 2: 6:48

Got him Anyways. Yeah, so Pam Bondi was confirmed.

Speaker 1: 6:52

Yeah, I don't really know her Immediately filed lawsuits against people in the city of new york yeah, did you see she's the doj is saying that they want the charges dropped on the, the mayor, the democrat mayor.

Speaker 1: 7:06

So he was one that was charged with bribery and charged with you know all kinds of stuff, and they just dropped all the charges on it. And you, today, like just earlier, I and I just saw the headlines, so I didn't read the story but one of the main doj prosecutors resigned because he was like we have a case against this guy and he literally bribed and committed all these crimes, and now you're dropping the case. And then he also pardoned Blagojevich officially.

Speaker 2: 7:31

I want to watch Blagojevich's Joe Rogan episode. I haven't watched it yet. I heard that he goes into great detail about what happened to him. Right, I don't know. I do know this that when he was initially convicted, I was glad. I was never a Blagojevich fan. I think he looks like Howdy Doody. That's beside the point, but it amuses me. And then his sentence was commuted by Trump just before he got out which I wasn't happy about.

Speaker 2: 7:59

I didn't understand that. And then, and now he's been pardoned, which I also don't understand. But I I also don't understand the total depth of you know, his conviction and what really happened there, and I think, from what I understand, he went into that with in the Joe Rogan podcast, so I need to watch it To hear his side of the story? Yeah, and maybe we can talk about that in another episode. But I don't know, I mean ultimately, he was around after Obama became president, he tried to sell the Senate seat.

Speaker 2: 8:30

Yeah, for his personal gain yeah exactly, but I think there was more at play there.

Speaker 1: 8:38

I think that's what he's alluding to, or maybe even directly saying I mean, here's the thing Every time there is a Senate appointment or a Senate issue like this, where you have a Senate that is, you know, a senator that's leaving and the state allows for not a special election and the governor is allowed to appoint that position, I can't say this definitively Right. Somebody's bank account gets bad. Somebody's bank account is getting patted like there is somebody that is going to win in this, and blagojevich was just too stupid to keep his mouth shut.

Speaker 1: 9:07

He did it on on the telephone he did on the phone, right like who is not wiretapping? You dude, you're the governor of a state and you're, you're getting wiretapped.

Speaker 2: 9:15

Yeah, he's. He's like pounding the phone going. You know what he looks like? Uh, he looks like that scene and um in money ball where brad pitt's trying to make a trade deal and he's calling three and four different general managers at the same time right I'm sure you didn't.

Speaker 1: 9:29

I didn't see it. No, yeah, but anyway, is that? Show me the money, is that?

Speaker 2: 9:32

no, no, that's jerry mcguire.

Speaker 1: 9:34

Okay, yeah, also a good one. Yeah, nothing. The worst movie critic after 2005 ever but no, he's calling several general managers.

Speaker 2: 9:41

All right, if you want this guy, call me back bang. Calls the other guy hey, if you want this guy, call me back bang. So that's what.

Speaker 1: 9:47

I'm sure that's exactly what he's doing with obama's seat, like what you got, what you got, what you got, what you got, you got a yacht, you got this, you got that. I already got half a million. So yeah, you want to. You want to beat the next size bitter, like I would do it right here out the open, dumbass like you're gonna get caught. And he did, yeah. So I mean, I think, I think it happens a lot. Oh yeah, and I'm sure trump has seen it, which I mean it is what it is. Yeah, do I? Is it something I'm gonna lose sleep over? Is it? Is it a crime? It's a crime against, so I don't even know it's. I mean it's a white color crime, so I don't even know it's. I mean it's a white collar crime. Clearly, sure, nobody was getting hurt other than he was getting his his pocket pad.

Speaker 1: 10:24

You know what I mean. So like it's not like he went out and killed somebody for it, Like I, this sends us whatever yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:29

I'd stupid, but Trump's probably been part of deals like that as a business man and I don't know how you. You know, I look at New York and Chicago, kind of the same. I don't. I don't think you get anything done in those cities without you know you're. You're definitely padding some time, you're you're doing something. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah, um, but anyway.

Speaker 1: 10:55

so Pam Bondi has filed lawsuit against people in New York for sheltering illegal immigrants. After the Yep, did you hear trump talk about that, where he said that I don't know why he added it into a speech that the hotels they were staying at were not luxury? He added that into his speech for some reason. He's like now these guys were staying in hotels. They weren't luxury hotels but they. I can tell you why because they weren't here.

Speaker 2: 11:13

They weren't. Trump the only luxury hotels that exist. Trump he's mad because it wasn't his. Everything else is four and a half stars at best.

Speaker 1: 11:21

Yeah, yeah. He's like oh, secret Service has got all of my hotels already booked, so that's why you couldn't take those.

Speaker 2: 11:26

I remember watching a show where he was. I think this was back in his. It might have been his first presidency, I don't think so. Maybe when he was candidating, or maybe when he was on whatever that boss show was. Oh the Apprentice.

Speaker 1: 11:40

The Apprentice yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:45

But he was showing somebody around his golf course in a golf cart and he was saying you know, look at these spectacular views. We got the best views of any golf course. We put Pebble Beach to shame. This is the best golf. I mean. The guy unashamedly markets everything he has as the absolute best of everything 100%.

Speaker 1: 12:00

Yeah, that is his life, yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:02

Yeah, and he's done well with it. I mean, he's done something he's done well with it.

Speaker 1: 12:06

He's done something yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:08

I guess that's what we need to start doing.

Speaker 1: 12:09

Right, yeah. So I'm curious to see the JFK files when they come out yeah, files when they come out yeah, the alien files when they finally get enacted.

Speaker 2: 12:17

The Epstein list there's no chance that list is coming out. They just said yesterday it's coming out. There is no chance. Here's the thing, though it has to now. They can't come out and say we're going to release that and then not release it. He was releasing his tax returns. He did release his tax returns. Yeah, they weren't the ones you wanted to see. No, because they weren't the tax returns.

Speaker 1: 12:37

They released those tax returns. He didn't. For all those out there, he did not release his tax returns. So anyway, yeah, there will be 10 things that come up between now and then Totally take it.

Speaker 2: 12:48

I will go on record that I want to see the Epstein list and I want everybody on there who had anything to do with children convicted to the full extent of the law.

Speaker 1: 12:57

What if he's not?

Speaker 2: 12:59

Fine, fine, that's. That's one area you don't mess around in. Yeah, I'm fine with that.

Speaker 1: 13:05

No, I'm absolutely fine with it. Here's the thing. I don't know that there's really anybody out there who's not going to be okay with that. It does. I'm sure there's going to be people on that list that I think is going to be sad, because they're people that we, like you, know there could be and I'm not saying kevin hart's on the list, but there could be people like him that are like well-liked people, that kevin hart's on a list.

Speaker 2: 13:28

What kevin hart's on a list? What list? He might not be on the epstein list, but he's on a. You think he's on a list? Probably yeah, I don't know. I think I think the is Hold the phone.

Speaker 1: 13:36

I got like totally off subject but I got to ask, and I probably shouldn't do this without asking first What'd you think of the Super Bowl halftime?

Speaker 2: 13:45

Oh, I thought it was terrible, terrible. Here I just had this conversation with someone. If you look, the NFL is an international, has international appeal as an organization. So to to me, if you're going to invite someone to sing at the super bowl or to perform at the super bowl, wouldn't call that singing doesn't matter. I mean, I like rap, but if you're going to invite someone to perform at the super bowl, it should have international appeal. It should be someone who has some longevity and some popularity, at a minimum with the NFL crowd. And I don't. I don't even know who was it Kendrick Lamar? I didn't even know who he was and, granted, I'm older. Yeah, you know, my daughter loved it. She's a huge Kendrick Lamar fan, so she loved it. But I don't think it has universal or international appeal. Right, you know, you look at when Michael Jackson performed his performance. Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake Nobody will ever forget. Do you know that was the most pause TiVo, oh, I can't.

Speaker 1: 14:53

Three of you had the break, tivo, almost. Yeah, it was rebound and pause. I don't doubt that one bit, yeah yeah, for those who don't know, janet jackson had a wardrobe malfunction that's where wardrobe malfunction came from.

Speaker 2: 15:05

Yeah, and the wardrobe malfunction was justin timberlake ripping her, ripping her shirt stuff off and exposing her pierced nipple. Anyways, not to put too fine a point on it, my girls listen to this show. That's sorry girls.

Speaker 1: 15:20

Anyway.

Speaker 2: 15:22

Um, yeah, so I I wish they had chosen someone with a little more universal appeal. But I mean whatever, yeah, I didn't, I don't care. Yeah, it just wasn't entertaining to me. Yeah, what did? You think and I couldn't understand what he was saying. The sound was horrible.

Speaker 1: 15:37

The sound quality at the Super Bowl always sucks, yeah, and I remember it was two years ago or whenever Eminem and them were there, eminem and Dr Dre, and Kendrick Lamar was one of the ones that sang at that too, so he sang there twice. Okay, there was videos from the audience and you couldn't hear a thing. You couldn't hear the music Because it was all made up for the cameras Right, and the audience that were there like I don't want to say you couldn't hear it, but it was very faint and it wasn't meant for them. And if they made it too loud for the audience, it made it too hard to get yeah, get the sound quality for tv to make it, you know, worthwhile. So, um, I don't like. Have you watched the, the meaning behind the, the performance, yet?

Speaker 2: 16:25

you mean the dis on drake? No way deeper. Oh okay, now way deeper. It's all political, isn't it?

Speaker 1: 16:30

oh yeah, I'm sure gosh yeah, but I mean it went and there's some stuff that I'm like man, man, that's stretching, that's reaching, and you would have to really sit down with a team of people to come up with. But at the beginning it is the buttons of a PlayStation controller. That's what the highlighted stars were, and it did the cheat code for armor for GT5. What is?

Speaker 2: 16:55

Grand Theft Auto.

Speaker 1: 16:56

Yeah, it did. The cheat code for that is that the, the lights that came across, okay, and sony owns sony playstation and sony is also who drake is signed with, which was some of the, the draw behind it. And then he did the 40 acres and a mule, which is what slaves were given like, and that was, you know, I mean a dig, and there there were parts in there of stuff that he said that was like and it's hard to hear, like you have to really sit down and listen because it is very muffled, but some of the lyrics that he threw out. There was a song on there that isn't released to the public that he that he played there. So it wasn't like everybody knew what it was. There was a lot, a lot of of symbolisms in there, you know, with the american flag. And then there was a part where all of the, the people that were in red, were in one area and they did a schmish nazi salute like three times and it was the red, which is obviously the red political group.

Speaker 1: 17:55

Is what their intent? Well, well, I can't say intent. That's what the assumption is. Well, that's fabulous. I am so happy. I mean it's very interesting. Is it accurate? I don't know because, it's very.

Speaker 1: 18:06

I mean it would be very, very deep.

Speaker 2: 18:08

The only the only thing I found amusing in that whole performance was and I and of course I didn't know this till the next day, because I have no idea who he is or what his history is but he had Serena Williams dancing and apparently she dated Drake and he did this whole diss on Drake, so that's funny.

Speaker 1: 18:28

I can get behind that and the accusation against Drake is that he's into underage women, which is why everybody yelled A minor and that was the million dollar chain he had with the lowercase a. Yeah, yeah. No, I get it. Yeah, I mean, just I was curious to see what your thought was I, so I don't necessarily like.

Speaker 2: 18:48

I don't necessarily like the idea of dissing on a country that took part in slavery along with the rest of the world, but also was the country that ended slavery. Right, that's fair, so yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:01

I mean, it took a war to do it and so yeah, it took a war but it was, but it was a war against Democrats first of all, and it was and it was and it was also. You know, there were a lot of people that died in that war because they were committed to ending slavery and they weren't black, and there's no credit given for that, and you are correct and, and, and.

Speaker 2: 19:29

40 acres and a mule while that may not sound like a lot, you know, to compensate for slavery, it's a way better than nothing. And b it is quite a bit right, right so.

Speaker 1: 19:42

So just for the audience out there, the republicans back then, or wig party, that's a, that's a lie they, they, this idea that democrats and republicans switched at some point.

Speaker 2: 19:54

If you, if you, if you watch the historical lie made up by a Democrat, try to make it sound like they weren't the ones that were defending the founding slaves. So the South, the state. I've looked at it many times because this lie is told over and over again and it's nonsense. It is absolute nonsense. I'm not even going to entertain it, you don't have to. We're going to move on to something else. I'm not even going to entertain it, you don't have to. You don't have to. Yeah, but we're going to move on to something else because I'm not even going to entertain it. It flops. It's actually such nonsense. It's not.

Speaker 1: 20:23

It's not. If you look at what they believed in, if you look down a row of beliefs of what Democrats thought then and what Democrats thought now, the parties have reversed roles. I'm not saying republicans, they haven't reversed roles.

Speaker 2: 20:35

The democrats realized that they were going to lose every election, and I think that, unless they said all they've done, all they've done is switched physical slavery into economic slavery. That's all they've done. It's the exact, it's almost the exact same thing. Well, yep, that's all they've done, but maybe we can talk about that in another show, I guess. So. So back to Pam Bondi Damn.

Speaker 1: 21:02

Mr. Really into Pam Bondi today Mr.

Speaker 2: 21:05

Well, because we haven't even talked about it yet. Okay, pam Bondi, so she's suing the city of New York and people in there for going against the executive order and supporting illegal immigrants rather than deporting them, and so I wanted to get your feelings on 20 minutes ago. No, I'm torn.

Speaker 1: 21:25

Because what I understand is there are a lot of people that are getting swooped up right now that have been here for 15 or 20 years. They've paid taxes this entire time. They are not eligible for citizenship because they don't have the proper ability to show that they just got here and that they're seeking asylum or whatever the new rules are, and they have laid under the radar. They've not committed crimes, they've paid taxes, they've done what they got to do and they're the ones getting swooped up and grabbed. There are criminals in there. There's been a dozen rapists that have been taken Phenomenal, see you later. Go to Guantanamo. I don't care what you do with them. They don't, they can go.

Speaker 1: 22:07

I feel bad for the people that are contributing members to society that just don't have the U S dignitation next to their name that allow them to stay. That's, that's my only thing. So is it the right of the state to come in and say, no, I'm not letting you come in. It's a state right, if that's what I mean. We we've been really pushing state rights lately that we don't want federal rights. We don't want federal coming in and saying you can't have abortions. We don't want federal coming in and saying you have to do this or that. So now the states are saying, hey, you have to do this or that. So now the states are saying, hey, if you don't have any federal rights to tell me what I have to do, I'm going to tell you. You can't come, take these people.

Speaker 2: 22:45

Is it a state right to?

Speaker 1: 22:46

oppose a federal law. I mean, they've been doing it with weed for quite a while.

Speaker 2: 22:50

Well, I didn't ask you if it's being done. I asked you if it's okay. Is it a state's right to oppose and ignore a federal law? What's the federal law? Immigration we have immigration laws. Those laws are you don't come across the border without the proper permission and documentation. So the second you do, you've committed a crime. So do the states have the right to oppose federal law? They're not even ignoring federal law, they're actively opposing it.

Speaker 1: 23:27

I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 23:31

Really yeah, you don't know.

Speaker 1: 23:33

No, I really don't know.

Speaker 2: 23:33

Okay.

Speaker 1: 23:34

Because I mean we want small government.

Speaker 2: 23:35

right, I do, I mean that's I do want small government, but part of that government, part of that small government, is to protect our borders.

Speaker 1: 23:44

Okay, but if you have a state or states or multiple states who say you know what we're okay with, they're here, then why is it the federal government's business to step in? If we want small government, small government is you stay out of everybody's business. The state's saying, hey, no, we're good, you stay here, you're fine.

Speaker 2: 24:01

Federal governments are there to enforce federal laws. So you have a federal law that says if somebody crossed our borders and is here, it doesn't matter where they are, they're a criminal and they need to be deported.

Speaker 1: 24:17

And then now you have states that are saying, well, if they're in my state and they're protected, I mean, I understand, I hear you, but I'll tell you is it's also a federal law to sell and manufacture cannabis in this country and people have went to prison for many, many years over that. And states have gotten smart and said you know what? We're not listening to you, Mr Federal Government, we can't put the money in a federal FDIC-insured bank, so we're going to put them in state-run banks that are not FDIC-insured and we can't take credit cards and we can't do the things on the national level. But we as a state have decided that it's in our best interest to not abide by your federal laws and we're going to go against them.

Speaker 2: 24:58

And that's what's happening. So do you think that border laws should be state driven and each state can have their own? I mean?

Speaker 1: 25:07

if it's the party of small government, absolutely. But if it's the party of overreaching government that steps into everybody else's business and tells you how to live your life and what goes on in your bedroom and who you can marry and who you can't, and all that, then I mean if that's the plan.

Speaker 2: 25:22

We're conflating a lot of issues. We are. I'm strictly talking about border security, Right? So immigration law do you think that should be state run or federally?

Speaker 1: 25:32

run. I mean, I think it could be both. I think you can still have a federal mandate that says hey, If you have a federal law that the states don't follow?

Speaker 2: 25:40

do you really have a federal law? I mean you do still.

Speaker 1: 25:44

I can still get arrested today for cannabis. I'll keep going back to that because that's happening today.

Speaker 2: 25:49

Let me drop it down. If you have a law that you don't enforce, do you have a law?

Speaker 1: 25:54

Is it still a law? Yes, it's still a law. Is it getting enforced? No, so is it really a law? It is.

Speaker 2: 25:59

It's still a law. How? If you're not enforcing it, it's not having any effect. It's not doing anything Right, but it hasn't. But if you swear people in and they swear to uphold the law and they don't do that, should there be punishment for that or not?

Speaker 1: 26:19

What do you mean? I've lost you.

Speaker 2: 26:21

If you if I swear you in, swear me into what? To whatever position, whatever political position? Oh, okay, and part of you being sworn in is that is that you will faithfully uphold the law. Okay, right, the laws of the laws of the constitution, the laws of the, the federal government and laws of the laws of the Constitution, the laws of the, the federal government and laws of the state. Right, and you don't do that? Ok, should you be? Should you have consequences for that or not?

Speaker 1: 26:49

I don't know how you can. I mean, in theory I agree with you, you're right, but I think there's a lot of federal laws that don't. They're antiquated laws and states have made their own rules.

Speaker 2: 26:59

Is immigration law an antiquated law? Absolutely. Or should we just drop? So we should just open our borders.

Speaker 1: 27:05

No, not at all.

Speaker 2: 27:06

We should be the only country in the world that just opens our borders and lets anybody in.

Speaker 1: 27:10

Well, I mean, you go to Europe right now and you drive from country to country and you see a sign that says, hey, you're now in Spain, hey. And you see a sign that says, hey, you're now in Spain, hey, you're now in France, hey, you're now. There's not walls everywhere where you go through crazy customs like you do here. I've been to Mexico and to Canada via vehicle.

Speaker 2: 27:26

I'm talking about? I'm not talking about visiting, I'm talking about moving there. Okay, I mean we can travel to any state we want to, right?

Speaker 1: 27:33

Really yes, 100%, and that freely yes 100, and that's, and that's how it is in other countries too.

Speaker 2: 27:36

There are countries that allow you to free to and there's a lot of countries where you go through a fence that has people with machine guns standing at 100, 100, so so, um, that's our 28 minutes, okay um we're gonna pick this up.

Speaker 1: 27:50

No, yeah, I can't. I can't stop now. Uh, you won't make me stop. I think the immigration laws are very antiquated. I think there's a lot of gray area there and I think there's been a lot of red tape added.

Speaker 2: 28:12

I don't think you really know what the immigration laws are the immigration laws are no.

Speaker 1: 28:21

I know there were two people in my office who were from Venezuela that were going through the asylum process because of what was going on in Venezuela.

Speaker 2: 28:25

I think the immigration laws are a bit convoluted. I'll agree with that. But the one I'm focusing on is very simple. If you want to come to this country, you need to do that through the front door. And you need to do that through the front door, okay? And you need to do that with the proper paperwork Right, that allows you to be here. And I'll tell you you don't get to just walk across the border and then go wherever you want to.

Speaker 1: 28:46

I have witnessed that in my office, talking to these two people multiple times, and the wife of the two was given asylum fairly quickly. The husband was going to Chicago every quarter to sit in on a interview for years. And why are you seeking asylum? Because everybody in my country that's my age is dying. Like that's what they deal with. Like back home they can't go visit their family anymore because they can't leave. But they're here seeking asylum and it took them years to find and luckily they had a job that they made decent money in that that they could afford to go do the things that needed to happen to finally get their asylum, which they have now gotten. But when I say years, I mean like four or five years just to get through the process. That's what I'm saying is antiquated.

Speaker 2: 29:40

So regardless I'm talking about coming into the country he did Right Through the front door, sure, and if it took years, it took years, and I'm glad he did it the right way. What I'm saying is we have borders and we are a sovereign nation, right and we have federal laws that are put in place to protect those borders. Yes, and one of those laws is you can't come in here without proper documentation and permission. Okay, is that wrong? Is that not what we should be doing? I'm not saying that at all. I am okay with it. What I'm saying is, if you've done that, though, if you've taken that step and you've crossed into our borders without permission, without documentation, we have federal laws that say you don't do that. The second you do it, you're now a criminal in our country, okay.

Speaker 2: 30:36

And you're saying that you think cities have the right to decide whether or not they're going to allow that to be enforced.

Speaker 1: 30:43

I think that the last 30, 40, 50 years, it has been allowed for them to come here because we needed the cheap labor and it was invited that once you're here, you're going to get snuggled under somebody's wing and they're going to help you with cheap labor and you just got to get there. That's, that's the key, and it's and it's the major businesses, it's small businesses, it's roofers, it's it's farm farm, so was it right to do that.

Speaker 1: 31:09

Was it right for the the people in America and the corporations to say, hey, I want cheap labor and I want to bring these guys in and you get them here and I'm going to get them a job and I'm going to help them? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's what happened. So since it happened, and since you had 10 or 12 or 15 million of these people come here and they're working and they're actively pursuing a life in America, they should not be swooped up and taken, taken away. They have done what they needed to do. They were brought here because we wanted cheap labor and now that they're here, you have a president that's like I want them all out of here and they're like what have I done? I came here because you needed me. I came here because corporations wanted me and farmers wanted me and people wanted cheap labor. So I'm here doing what you wanted. I haven't broken any crimes. I've paid my taxes, I've done whatever it is I need to do, but they still got to leave.

Speaker 2: 31:59

But he's Trump isn't even close to the president who's deported the most illegal immigrants not even close, and this is something he ran on. This is something he was very clear about, that he ran on, and if the American people voted for, this is what they want. It doesn't matter. Elections have consequences. This is what the people wanted. Some people yeah, it doesn't matter. Elections have consequences. This is what the people wanted. Some people, yeah, it doesn't matter. Not all of us with you, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2: 32:27

So all the people that let them come here and stay here, they weren't following. They were sworn in to uphold the law and they didn't do it. And so now he's been sworn in to uphold the law. He's trying to do it and he's being actively opposed by Democrats in certain cities who are saying you can't come here and take people. Now, I don't even know if you're right that he's taking people who've been here 15, 20 years. I don't know that you're wrong. I do know that they're not making that distinction. They're saying you can't come here and take anyone. Yeah, that includes the criminals, okay, and you're okay with that.

Speaker 1: 33:11

No, I'm okay with let's. Let's let's slow our role a little bit. Let's figure out a good we don't have an immigration policy.

Speaker 1: 33:18

We've been slowing our roll for for eight years for four years Because in Trump can't, biden can't, obama can't go at these corporations and say, hey, we need, we need to figure out a good, good policy. We need, we need a good asylum policy. We need a policy that says, if you've been here, you can come to us, give us your proper documentation and we'll put you down that path. That hasn't happened. That was going to take thousands of employees for the federal government. They're not willing to do it. Okay, so the fact that they're not willing to do it. You have states that are saying, look, these guys are, we need them here, we need these workers here.

Speaker 2: 33:55

That's not what they're saying that is exactly what they're saying. They're saying they're saying you can't come in and take anybody because we they're not. They're not making any distinctions, they're not. There's no way to make the distinction. That's what I'm saying. You're making distinctions and they're not, is my point. They're not making distinctions. They're just saying we oppose. We oppose the idea on its face and therefore we're not going to let you do it. You're opposing federal law, okay.

Speaker 1: 34:24

Yeah, small government, I'm okay with a little smaller government, like I'm okay with that, you're okay when it fits your agenda. Sure, we all are.

Speaker 2: 34:33

But that's not Federal immigration law isn't part of what you would call Federal immigration law is federal government. It's not federal immigration law isn't part of what you would call federal immigration law is federal government. It's not like this came about because of big government. This has always been federal immigration law is part of the government system. Right, you don't come here unless you're documented and you have permission.

Speaker 1: 35:01

Or we need you and the corporations will do it and the politicians will close their eyes because they know that if they want cheap prices and cheap labor. It's what has happened, and it's happened 15 million times over and over. It is what it is. I'm not saying it's right, wrong or indifferent. It is like I I'm not saying it's right, wrong or indifferent, but but to sit there and say you know, you swore an oath and you have to uphold the laws of that oath.

Speaker 2: 35:26

Well, in my mind and my own, that has nothing to do with my point, though. My only point is if you have a federal law and you finally have a president who's going to enforce that federal law, that one, yes sure he's not going to enforce that you can't beat a beat a cop with a light pole or with a flagpole. He's not going to enforce that federal law.

Speaker 1: 35:39

That one, yes, sure, he's not going to enforce that. You can't beat a cop with a light pole or with a flagpole. He's not going to enforce that. No he absolutely is. No, you'll just get off.

Speaker 2: 35:46

No, he absolutely is. That's not true. The guy didn't get off, he served his time. Several of them We've been through this. Okay, but you have someone, finally, who's going to enforce federal immigration law, and then you have people in states that say they're that are actively opposing that Right and you want that done without consequence.

Speaker 1: 36:05

Yeah, I mean they're going to pull their federal funding. Ok, I mean, is what it is?

Speaker 2: 36:09

like. I mean, I would rather have laws enforced, but that's just me. What laws? That's what I'm saying Federal immigration law.

Speaker 1: 36:15

Do you want weed? So that's the one law. Do you want the weed laws enforced? Yes, I do so. You want to lose all the tax money that the state of Illinois and Colorado yes, why.

Speaker 2: 36:25

Because I don't think drugs should be legal.

Speaker 1: 36:27

But why don't we take an antiquated law and say you know what? There's a way to do this.

Speaker 2: 36:30

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's antiquated Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's what we need to keep doing.

Speaker 1: 36:37

The laws are meant to be changed, the constitution is meant to be changed everything is nothing needs to be set in stone for life. It's not meant to be changed. Yeah, you can't. You can't hook your horse up to the front door of somebody else's house.

Speaker 2: 36:50

That law can change, because we don't have horses and peeling away and what I don't know. You keep throwing out these. No, I'm telling you keep throwing out these metaphors that I don't know. You keep throwing out these.

Speaker 1: 37:02

No, I'm telling you. You keep throwing out these metaphors that I don't know what the hell you're talking about. There are laws that need changed because the times change.

Speaker 2: 37:12

The laws from 100 years ago had to do with horses. Immigration law needs to change. You don't come in this country without permission and with proper documentation. Tell me what about that law needs to change, Okay then that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 1: 37:28

It hasn't been enforced for 40 years, so everybody that's here, that's what needs to change.

Speaker 2: 37:33

Okay, and as we're trying to change it, democrats are actively opposing it.

Speaker 1: 37:38

Because there's people that have been active members of society for 40 years. They're not making that distinction. Neither are the Republicans. They're grabbing everybody and going that's the difference, it's 100. You're telling me, if they find somebody that's here, undocumented, that's been here for 30 years, you think they're going to tell them to stay in their house. I have no idea, because they can buy a house today. They can go buy a house right now. Well, not right now. A year ago they could go buy a house. They can be members of society. And now they're saying nope, you got to go. You don't have a, you don't have a US ID, you're out. And I'm saying for 40 years we have allowed them in here, right, wrong or indifferent. You have to take those 15 million people and say you know what? Here's the new path. We are strictly guiding by these rules. Now, here's the new law. Nobody else is coming in, the ones that are here. We've got to figure out a way what to do with you because we don't want to kick you out.

Speaker 2: 38:29

So everybody who's already here gets to cheat the system.

Speaker 1: 38:31

They didn't cheat the system.

Speaker 2: 38:32

They've already done this several times, and every time they do it they say this is the last time we're going to do it, and then it happens all over again.

Speaker 1: 38:38

They were brought here for our benefit. They were brought here for our benefit, every one of us. That's what I'm saying. So you've got 15 million of them who need something to. We got to do something with them. The Democrats are saying don't kick them out, let's figure this out. Don't grab them.

Speaker 2: 38:55

No the Democrats are saying. The Democrats are saying here's the sanctuary cities. Folks, criminal or not, you come here, you stay here, nobody's going to touch you. That's what the Democrats are saying Pull their federal funding.

Speaker 1: 39:09

I mean, that's what you're going to get.

Speaker 2: 39:10

That's all that's the only recourse that they've got for Okay, I guess we're going to see. I mean, I don't know what's going to happen, we'll just have to wait and see.

Speaker 1: 39:18

I mean, we just sat here and laughed about Blagojevich and how he committed federal crimes, but he got communed and then he got a sentence.

Speaker 2: 39:24

And I said I don't like it, but either way though. I would rather see the law enforced. But you were not, we're not seeing, but that's what I want to have. But you're saying you don't have to abide by that law. And I told you from the beginning I don't know the details yet, it doesn't matter the details he was.

Speaker 1: 39:49

He was found in federal court to be guilty. No, it does not matter Absolutely. We have a, we have a judicial system in this country that says that a a peer of your judicial system in this country. A juror of your peers will find you guilty or not guilty. He was found guilty. Period point blank done.

Speaker 2: 40:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 40:06

Now you've got a president that says you know what you can go.

Speaker 2: 40:09

The problem is we have an activist judicial system. I don't like Blagojevich. I don't like that he commuted a sentence. I don't like that he pardoned him, but I don't know why.

Speaker 1: 40:18

And I'm not because I'm't like that he pardoned him, but I don't know why. Why?

Speaker 2: 40:19

Because he's crooked like the president and I'm not going to take a stand on it until I know why Birds of a feather flock together. That's why. That's why I'm not going to take a stand on it until I know the details and I will look at it.

Speaker 1: 40:31

Good luck, that's fine, Because the details are going to be. I like him. Yeah, he broke the law, but you know what? It isn't no big deal.

Speaker 2: 40:37

Can we all do it. Listen, I know I'm incapable of saying that I don't like something that someone in the Republican Party does. I know I'm incapable of that, even though I've just sat here and told you I don't like the decommunity sentence, I don't like the pardon him. But again, I know that I'm incapable of that, so I get it. I get where you're coming from. Absolutely. Wow Makes all the sense in the world. I'm glad we could agree. We totally agree. It makes me so happy. Absolutely, we totally agree. I'm the worst, you're the best. I just want immigration laws enforced, that's all.

Speaker 1: 41:11

You know what, starting today, if you want to make immigration laws enforced today and you bring 10,000 soldiers to the border and they stand there with their their AR fours or a four is not.

Speaker 2: 41:23

Oh my God, you were in the military. They're a fours, they stand there with their a fours and and I want, them to stand there with their double a twenties or whatever that thing's called Double a 10. What's that? That automatic shotgun? I don't know what that is. Oh dude, don't look it up, you will fall in love. Okay, I will own one. You can't. I've tried.

Speaker 1: 41:42

No, you can't.

Speaker 2: 41:43

I'm serious. Oh, they're against right to bear arms. You can't even get one In the military. The only people they allow to have them are special forces. That's why I never got one.

Speaker 1: 41:53

I was way too fat for that, I want one so bad Anyways. So anyways, you can take 10,000 soldiers down there, you can give them all the coolest machine guns ever and you can say not one person crosses here unless you go through the proper channels. And then you make proper channels where, if they want to come here here's the process and if Tyson food wants to hire a hundred of them, tyson food can hire a hundred of them. And here's what we're looking for. You meet those qualifications, come on in. You're documented. Everybody that's here. We're going to work on getting you documented. If you're a criminal, you're leaving. If you're good, you can stay. Here's the process. You can't vote for five years. You can't get any state aid for five years. I don't care, that's what needs to happen. You can't vote ever no. Why? If they become a US citizen who cares no?

Speaker 2: 42:38

why, If they become a US citizen who cares If they?

Speaker 1: 42:40

become a citizen. You didn't say that no-transcript.

Speaker 2: 43:01

I'm saying the path should be followed and even if it's difficult right now, it should still be followed. Yeah sure.

Speaker 1: 43:07

It's just, I'm just telling you. It would be almost impossible to do for the regular person.

Speaker 2: 43:13

No, it's not. It's not. People have done it for years. They have. There's plenty of people here who came here legally and did it correctly. Of course it's difficult, but they've done it Right.

Speaker 1: 43:24

Okay.

Speaker 2: 43:25

We are way past your 28 minutes you were shooting for. That's all right, I'm going to cut it. I'm going to cut the majority of this. Why it's a terrible show. No, it's not Horrible content.

Speaker 1: 43:41

Have you been cutting my content up? You're like I didn't make a good point there. Delete, delete, delete. And I haven't even watched it close enough to see it, god damn it if you just hear us talking about something off the wall like that makes no sense, be like what happened the last five minute jumps you know what, though, I will say there?

Speaker 1: 43:54

I have had several people like not one or two, like literally several, that are like man, I get really pissed off listening to your show. I'm like good, I'm, I'm glad this in this, just because they, they, no, they either way, because they're Democrats and they don't know. No, it's, it's literally either side. Like I'm no, no joke. Like it's, it's both sides. Like man, I don't like that. You argued it this way. Like whatever, no, I I.

Speaker 2: 44:19

I've had a few people pop up in my DMS and be like.

Speaker 1: 44:22

You should have made this point or made that point, or that drives me crazy.

Speaker 2: 44:26

They're like I don't know how you know like my hardcore right. Yeah, I don't know how you can be friends with this guy and I'm like here's what he's a great guy and that's the point of this show, right? Is? He's a great guy, like if you sat down with him and just had a conversation you would love him right, and he's a great dude, just don't talk because you won't agree, but that's kind of the point. That's the point and that's what I tell them.

Speaker 2: 44:53

Like you're, you're missing if that's your takeaway right and you're missing the whole point of the show. The whole point of the show, the whole point of the show is, yeah, when it comes to politics he's a dick. And he would say, when it comes to politics, I'm a dick, but the bottom line is he's a great guy and politics doesn't define us and it doesn't define our friendship, and that's what it should be. I mean, that's just what it should be. Politics is a swamp. I mean, on every side politics is a swamp. I mean, if If, drain it. On every side, politics is a swamp, and if you want to drown in that swamp, be my guest. I want no part of it. I'm going to sit in the boat, me and my buddy Adam. We're going to be in the boat, fishing. That's all we're going to do. We're going to be drinking whiskey, fishing, splashing each other. That's it, yeah. And having a good old time, because I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna get so involved in politics that it takes over my life, because it's, it's literally vapor right.

Speaker 1: 45:48

I mean we can't, for the most part we can't change it. We're not. We can't, I mean we are, one vote there are. I mean the thing is, there are precincts that even for the, the presidential election, they're, they're decided by one vote. Sure, like that, that's a big deal.

Speaker 2: 46:03

The thing is, though, I'm not going to change anyone's mind. Right, talking to you, you're not going to change anybody's mind. Talk, this show isn't going to change anybody's mind. We're not going to change democrats to republicans or republicans to democrats. By what about the people in the center? But what about the? I don't think that's.

Speaker 1: 46:19

I don't know how do you do that? Like I found myself in the very like I watched a video, um, I meant to put it on the. The hokey pokey republican yesterday came out and was talking about federal spending and how just atrocious federal spending is and how we're gonna cut two billion here and 200 billion here and and this here. And he's like do you realize, when we look at the budget, that what you've just cut is 15 minutes worth of borrowing? That's what you've cut with this bill. Yeah, when you cut, when you slash spending here, you've just cut us an entire day of borrowing. That's it. Yeah, because everything, every, every single thing the federal government does right now is borrowed money, I know. So all we got to do is look at how long does that takes to recoup that borrowed money and, like you take all of the department of education away and it was a couple of days of borrowing is gone.

Speaker 2: 47:13

You know what I mean and I get that point, but that's, that's one department, right? So I actually had this thought today you cut $10 billion here, you cut $20 billion there, you cut $30 billion there. It's a drop in a bucket in the budget. But you do that over time. I mean $20 billion here, $50 billion there, $100 billion there. Eventually you start talking about real money.

Speaker 1: 47:32

Eventually. But the problem is, the Republicans just requested a $4 trillion debt ceiling, four with a T. That's what they're pushing. Please tell me that's not true. That's you can look it up 4 trillion is what they just looked for and that that should last about 500 days. That that's how.

Speaker 2: 47:50

I have to balance my budget Every month. You have to balance your budget Every month we do the government should have to balance their budget. They don't and they don't know. They just spend money.

Speaker 1: 47:59

Here's the problem, though. You could cut every bit of discretionary spending out there that you want, and it's not going to balance the budget. Unless you tax properly, you're not going to balance the budget.

Speaker 2: 48:09

Here's the real problem, and then we need to end this. The real problem is you and I. If we print money in our basement, we go to jail. Yeah, that's the real problem government does it every day.

Speaker 1: 48:22

Yeah, I still want to. Maybe that's what we should do. Anybody have access to a print machine. I know the right we'll do pennies, since they're not going to do pennies.

Speaker 2: 48:28

I know the right way to do it you literally put it in the laundry.

Speaker 1: 48:34

All right, thanks for listening. We'll see you on episode. See you, guys.