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#10: Diversity Dilemmas and the Quest for Competence
Can age and term limits revitalize the political landscape? Join us in our 10th episode of Hokey Pokey Politics as we celebrate this milestone with a dash of humor and critical political discourse. We kick things off by reflecting on the retirement of Mitch McConnell, pondering whether it's high time for a political makeover with younger faces and fresh perspectives. With a humorous take on McConnell's career and a dive into term limit debates, we explore the potential shifts in governance dynamics.
Our conversation doesn't shy away from the complexities of political narratives and media influences. From questioning financial recovery claims by politicians to dissecting media bias charts, we scrutinize how stories are spun to shape public perception. The power of media outlets like Politico, Huffington Post, MSNBC, and Fox News comes under our lens as we discuss the impact of these narratives on public opinion, aiming to provide listeners with a nuanced view of today's political media landscape.
We also tackle the thorny issues of diversity and qualifications in hiring practices. By examining the aviation industry and law enforcement, we emphasize the importance of merit over demographics, raising questions about the balance between diversity initiatives and competency. The disparity in training hours for police officers compared to cosmetologists highlights the need for reform, sparking a lively dinner debate on controversial topics. We wrap up with a light-hearted reflection on aging and parenting, all while expressing gratitude for your continued support.
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Speaker 2:You look weird with your glasses too Fair. I think it's your face.
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Speaker 1:Well, lots in the news again hit me. I don't even know where to start well, start at the beginning the beginning, well back in the day. No, I honestly I don't. It's just, it's madness Mitch McConnell's retiring.
Speaker 2:Long, long, long overdue.
Speaker 1:My God, that guy looks like a turtle.
Speaker 2:Should I do a Mitch McConnell impression while we're Well, you have to do your, because he does this, I do that too. You jerk God when that guy kept freezing up and lock it up.
Speaker 1:He's in a perpetual state of yeah, and then when he freezes, yeah, yeah, he's just, could you?
Speaker 2:imagine, you know what he looks like. There was a comedian that said oh, it was bill burr who said that as people get older, they start. They look scared, they look like they're perpetually scared.
Speaker 1:Yes, he is scared all the time, and that's him so been in since 85. Is that what you said, 85. Yeah, 85.
Speaker 2:My God, 40 years as a politician as a Senator.
Speaker 1:as a Senator, how long has Chuck Grassley been in? Did you look? I didn't. I mean, I know he's the longest reigning right now.
Speaker 2:We have got to change that. Maybe we need an age. Maybe we need two age limits, you know one on when you can be and one on how long you know the last Can we do it for all the offices. The oldest you can be, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, here's the thing, like if you want to be a house member and you want to be 20 years old, okay, like there's 400 of you, but when you only have two in a state, like we should probably be.
Speaker 2:What is the age requirement for the Senate? It's 35 for president?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know that there is one. Okay, young wise. I mean, I could be totally wrong there, but I feel like there wasn't a you know 18 or whatever, I'm assuming. But um, yeah, cause, um, oh no, cortez is she's, she's in the house and she, she got in young too, true, yeah, she was 26.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something like that. Okay, yeah, yeah, I am all for. You know, you serve your your one or two terms and then you go back home and you continue doing whatever you bartend or whatever you were doing before you get there there was.
Speaker 1:There was a guy in. I met him probably 2012. I all I remember is his first name was Brian and he was the governor of Montana and he was a democratic cover of governor of Montana which I mean that's like unheard of, but he had like a democratic governor of Montana which I mean that's like unheard of.
Speaker 2:But he had like A Democratic governor. Mm-hmm, oh, in Montana, yeah, in Montana, I was thinking.
Speaker 1:Minnesota oh yeah, no, in Montana and he had an 80% approval rating in the state. I mean he was great, very bipartisan, very down the middle, but fair and like people loved him. And then he came up on his two year max and he would have they would have kept him if they could have but ultimately they said you know what? Your two years or your two terms is up, dude, you got to go. Yeah, and that I mean that part sucks. When you've got somebody, that's really good it does.
Speaker 2:But but you get someone else who's really good.
Speaker 1:Right, you find somebody else and you teach them what was I?
Speaker 2:I just had something. Here's something I am not for that is being proposed From the right, yeah, yeah, straight from the mouth of Trump. I'm ready. Have you seen that he is trying to push through giving a dividend to everything Savings from Doge? I do not want that to happen.
Speaker 1:Here's why, in my mind Again, I'm I know there's an evil reason there's an evil reason? Sure, they said they want to do it in July of 20. Which would be five months before this midterm elections. Why wouldn't you do it in July 20, which would be five months before this midterm elections? Why wouldn't you do it in July? Well, sure you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you're going to do it, you should use it for some type of political gain advantage.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I mean, any side would do that Right. My thing is if you are finally cutting waste, fraud, abuse and you're saving money, pay off the debt. That was the whole point. Stop giving money. I mean, granted, it's our tax money, I get that but stop giving that money back. That's not really. I mean, five grand is a lot of money. I'm not saying it isn't, but we have a debt that is not sustainable. And if you're going to save money, pay off the debt. That's going to do more to strength, Pay off the debt and lower taxes. That would be a bigger benefit to everybody than sending them a $5,000 check. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's just a whole nother can of worms.
Speaker 2:Bush sent out a check. I don't remember what that was for, was it $800? Everybody got yeah and then.
Speaker 1:Didn't Bush do one just before Obama got elected? I think so Part of the bailouts and stuff. I feel, like he did a stimulus just before Obama got in, and then I feel like Obama did one.
Speaker 2:And I didn't like it when Bush did it Right. And then there was. Then there were checks being sent out during COVID. I didn't like that. In fact I you could opt out of those and I did, because I think it's ridiculous. And then, and then this one's being proposed. It just drives me insane. Lower the tax rate and pay off the debt. That's going to do more to help the country.
Speaker 1:I think that's like yin and yang, though I don't know that you can do both. Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2:You can. We collect way too much money, but the reason we collect so much is because we have so much fraud, waste and abuse and we spend $200 billion. You mentioned AOC, and I'm not just picking on her. She's just an example of what we've been talking about. She was a bartender and she got elected to Congress Right. That was four years ago. Yes, and the last net worth estimate I saw for her is $8 million.
Speaker 1:But it's also $250 grand to have her come talk to at one of your events.
Speaker 2:It's nuts, how much money you make on a $250,000 a year salary as a politician, that you're now worth $8 million four years later.
Speaker 1:Why didn't we do that?
Speaker 2:I don't know why we wouldn't. I think we need to do that Become politicians yeah Well, you can't, but I could. I don't know why we wouldn't. I think we need to do that Become politicians?
Speaker 1:Yeah, can't.
Speaker 2:Well, you can't, but I could, yeah, I can yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't have that background. I do. I didn't. My college years are out. As soon as my Halloween costumes come out, it's just like yep, I'm backing out of this campaign.
Speaker 2:I tried to be somewhat straight and narrow. I didn't always succeed, but I didn't do anything that would disqualify me from public office.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, here's the thing In a couple more years everybody's going to have those. When you get to the point where cell phones were around in your college years, everybody's going to be in that same boat. You know what I mean? Like they've all done it. Oh my gosh, if cell phones were around, yeah, See, that's the thing. Well, and that's when my college years came, is right, when cell phones were popular. And so I mean, it was all like every Halloween was like how outrageous can you get?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and nobody thought about that, and it still should be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but nobody thought it still should be, but it was not politically correct.
Speaker 2:Well, and it shouldn't be, yeah, and that should be okay, right, it's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it should be I know, but it's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I gotta put my earmuff on. I forgot to. Oh, we were chatting before. Yeah, okay, what else?
Speaker 1:I mean doge came out and made a pretty big mistake. They left it on their website all day saying that they saved $8 billion on some I don't remember what it was IRS, maybe One of them and it was really $8 million, and I mean just they're so it wasn't real money. No, it was still real money. It's still a chunk of change, but it was. The thing is like.
Speaker 2:Who cares? Who cares? I mean there's going to be mistakes made. There's very who cares? I mean, this is the. This is the problem with politics is they? You know, every tiny little thing gets micromanaged down to its, you know, gets scrutinized down to its smallest detail, right, and if you can find anything wrong, right. Then you latch on to that and you use it to bolster your side against the other but and it goes the other way, though it goes the other way and it's so.
Speaker 1:I found this little thing. I'm gonna make you know I'm a hero because I found it and so, like the, the, now that they're, really, if they weren't gloating about this so much, I don't think there'd be that much.
Speaker 2:I don't know that they're gloating, I think oh my god, it's on everything well, but in other words, okay, they're promoting for sure yeah yeah, look what I say but this is what they were elected to do, and so all they're doing is saying hey, this is what we're elected to do. Look, we're doing it right, but this is what we're finding.
Speaker 1:Here's what they're finding, though they're they are looking at you know, know, doge. We saved Doge $8 billion on this, on this contract. The contract's already been fulfilled, it's already been paid, it's done, we're canceled it.
Speaker 2:It's already done. It's interesting to me that every time Doge finds money, your claim is that it was already found two years ago.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm saying it's already, the contract is already done.
Speaker 2:This has been your talking point since we've been talking about this. It's like they sent agents to the border it was already done. Oh, Canada's going to play ball it was already done. That was oh, Doge found money it was already done. No, that money's already been spent. They claimed to cancel a contract. It was already done.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm not saying that somebody that the what are they called? No, no, I'm not saying that somebody that that the what are they called? The? The inspector general of that department? I'm not saying that inspector general found those. I'm saying they've already been paid out. So they said, hey, we're going to give $45 million to Malaysia. Well, the $45 million is already spent. It's already there. And then Musk comes along. He's like hey, we found $45 million and we just saved you by canceling that contract. The contract's canceled already. It was paid out in 2022. You're not canceling anything. It's done.
Speaker 1:It wasn't a revolving. Every year we do this. It was a one-time expense, but they're still putting it up as we're saving you guys all this money expense, like, but they're still putting it up as we're saving you guys all this money. And it's like if you, if, if they take their numbers and they pay every American out what they saved or I think Trump might've said 20% or 50% of what they save is what they're going to pay out to the American public it's going to break us only because that money's not really savings. It's not like we're our. Our bank account is getting larger. It's not like you. Look at the debt counter that you can get on right now. And look at US debt. The debt is not slowing down. It's still $200 billion and interest is going out. It's still ridiculous.
Speaker 2:They haven't paid off any debt yet, right, and they're not saying that this is going to grow our account. What they're saying is it's not going to drain our account, right, the money's there. The money that we have is there. That's not changed, it's borrowed, but it's there, yeah, right, yeah. My point is, though the money in the account is what's in the account, and what they're saying is not that, hey, we're getting more money and putting it to the account for this purpose, right, right, yeah. What about the fact that they were, that the government was funding subscriptions for left-wing magazines to bolster their, to bolster their you know subscription count and to use it to spread, you know, left-wing agenda items to the country and like other countries? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean here? Yeah, that was here, that was here. Politico was. Was the the main one? Politico, politico, yeah, I don't know politico's leftist, I don't know, I just I.
Speaker 2:Apparently you haven't heard about it, so it's worthless to talk about but no, but I mean that.
Speaker 1:But that politico is one of the ones that's a little more neutral.
Speaker 2:I believe, yeah, I'm sure you would believe that. I'm sure that's exactly what you would believe.
Speaker 1:So when you see that chart of the most biased, news organizations.
Speaker 2:You probably think the Huffington Post is a really bad news.
Speaker 1:No, I know what Huffington Post is, but you see that graph of all of the news stations on where they rank as far as radicalness. This was ranking. You could say that about anything, anything, but have you seen it? That matters, I mean, but you, but have you seen like? I would love for you to look at that and just say that is bs, because, like, when you look at it, nsnbc is obviously to the left, fox news is obviously to the right, oan is like off the chart, right, you mean Like, and then you've got like these different, you know, blazes off to the far right. I mean they're, they're, they're.
Speaker 1:It's fairly accurate from what I can see, and I mean the majority of them are right in the center. There is, there is a bunch to the center, left, like, no doubt, and the question then becomes is that a public opinion? Is that a? And we will. I don't know that. There's any way for us to know. You can't look at politics because half the population doesn't vote. So, like the, the half of the people that don't vote, are they center, are they left, are they right? Are they just they don't have anything because they don't care? And that those people still amaze me. I don't understand in this country how you could remain completely neutral. Good for you.
Speaker 2:I just don't have any. I mean, that's how I was during my you know teen years and into my twenties and probably even early thirties. I just didn't want to know anything about politics. Right, I hated the whole institution Still do, but I didn't. I wouldn't even talk about it. If somebody brought up politics with me, I would leave the room. I just didn't care.
Speaker 1:god look at how times have changed. We had a really good, uh religious debate the other day in here. That was. That was kind of interesting. I don't know if it was a debate it's just a discussion.
Speaker 2:Okay, discussion, there you go.
Speaker 1:I mean, there wasn't any no, I mean, I don't think like. I don't know it clearly well enough to you. This is what was said, or this like god, no, like no but yeah, politics and religion, man, they're uh, they're tough ones to have conversations about, but I mean, it's what it is yeah, I mean they don't have to be, but for some reason they uh, they ignite people's passions. Yeah I think we've ignited some passions on this thing. Yeah, for sure, I mean god. I see some of the comments and like where are you?
Speaker 1:comments. I haven't seen any like, either on the facebook page or you'll see them. I haven't seen any like when you share one of them and there's people that are just like how are you friends with this freaking guy like?
Speaker 2:are they saying that on your page?
Speaker 1:no, it's, it's on, like the when you shared it on your on your facebook page and people comment on it yeah, I haven't really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would. I was hoping we would have more comments than we get. Yeah, especially like on the youtube channel, right, you know more engagement, but yeah, I mean we do.
Speaker 1:That does bring up a good point. We do need to talk about what other people want to hear about.
Speaker 2:Well, and I, and I ask all the time like hey, give us, give us topic suggestions. Well, you know, we had that one that wanted to deep dive, kind of you know in the second amendment you know, that was fun.
Speaker 1:Maybe we should just go amendment by amendment, go right down them all. Oh geez.
Speaker 2:I mean we could.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine you get to the really boring one?
Speaker 2:I feel like that would be like sitting in the most boring classroom you've ever been in that's being I have the right to a speedy trial. No you don't? Yes, I do. It's being taught by two people who have no that's like every tiktoker.
Speaker 1:Right now I get on tiktok and I'm just like you got these people like plane crashed in toronto and I'm like, dude, you have, like you're just, you literally just saw it on the news so you jumped on to make a tiktok about it and you're just regurgitating what you just heard. You're not news like yeah, if you like, like I saw it first from brian gosh, dang it. Um, brian, something, he's uh, he was in the gabby petito case big time a reporter and like so he's the guy that now, when something happens, he's on a plane within minutes and I mean he's heading to wherever the issue is. And there was the murders in ohio, in idaho, and he was like boom, I'm there and he's in front of the house and he's reporting on it and he's talking to neighbors. I mean he's just, he's in it like the gabby petito stuff remember her from? She was the one, the girl that got murdered by her boyfriend in the in the oh, the one in the wilderness and hole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that ended up. Yeah, they found the rv.
Speaker 1:Yes, yep, yeah, so like he was in on that case, like that's kind of where I started following him because he was getting like like not behind, I don't say behind the scenes on the ground real quick and, like he was the one that tweeted out that there was the, the plane that crashed in toronto, and I'm like what in the world? And then yesterday there was another one, another plane crash killed two people.
Speaker 1:I mean it's all yeah two small airplanes that had a midair, yeah. And then amelia sent me one that the might have been houston somewhere. They I know it was atlanta. They had to evacuate a plane because the the engine caught on fire. Oh and they're out. They're out on the, the tarmac and they're all running out of the plane. I'm like what?
Speaker 2:yeah, what's going on? What?
Speaker 1:is going like seriously. Normally, like when this kind of stuff happens, the news kind of sucks in on it. So you start start hearing about stuff like oh, that airplane blew a tire. It's like, well, they probably blow tires all the time and it's not a big deal, but since we're talking about accidents, they don't. Well, I mean just you know what I mean Like the media will sensationalize it because it's something that's in the news now. So one part of me is like man, they're really going to be hitting on every little bump in the road with aviation. There's a lot of bumps in the road right now. Yeah, like I would legitimately like I'm not a nervous. I I think about things with flying, but I'm not a nervous super nervous flyer?
Speaker 2:no, I'm not either. Like no, every time I take off I do feel a little bit of that lack of control. Yes, you know, and you know prayer for safety, right, you know. But but yeah, I'm not a nervous flyer, especially once we get to altitude and we're cruising. I mean, those jet engines are made to just thrust forever. I mean, they just don't quit. And yeah, I mean the takeoff and the landing obviously are the two critical points.
Speaker 1:Landings seem to be a little more critical at this point for sure, good, god for sure.
Speaker 2:You know there's and I haven't done any study on it, so I well, I I won't even say it, but the toronto thing. I was going to comment on the dc thing, but I won't the toronto thing. It's interesting. I watched the video and it's obviously a hard landing. There's little to no flare, yeah, at the end, which obviously led to the hard landing. But somebody else pointed out that it doesn't look like they lowered their flaps at all, which those come in really hot when the flaps aren't down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it said that that thing lands at 150 miles an hour.
Speaker 2:With flaps.
Speaker 1:With flaps.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's probably a little bit slower than that, it's probably more like 120, but but I don't know, I don't really know that type of jet real well. But the flaps also increase the lift though. So you know, when you do flare, you do get. You get better lift too. So, yeah, something was missed there. Right Is what it looks like. Yeah, something was missed. Something was missed. There is what it looks like. Something was missed. You know, two years ago there were people, primarily on the right, that were saying that DEI has the potential to start causing a lot of accidents like this.
Speaker 2:And they were specifically talking about the airline industry. This was two years ago. They were saying you know, this is an area where we can't compromise, and I'm not blaming DEI for this yet. Yet, because I want to wait for all the information and I've always been that way, sure, or at least tried to be. And what bothers me this is my point, and I think you'll agree is what bothers me is this rush to every situation. Is a dei situation?
Speaker 1:oh, I heard it right away. Yeah, they said this was an unmanned aircraft, the helicopter no, this though. This the the plane in toronto. They said unmanned right, yeah, this was this entire. Well, I saw a post which was not true at all I don't know who was flying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I I heard the audio and I know it wasn't, oh okay so this is envoy, the airline, it's envoy, it's a, it's a, it's a delta plane, I think right, but it's leased by on right. And the first post I saw about dei. It said that envoy likes to brag about having all female flight crews which fine, they do, but the but to just make the assertion, without any information, without any facts, that it's a DEI thing. I don't like fan of that at all. I want the facts to come out and then we talk about what led to the situation.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, that's not what happens though.
Speaker 2:No, it's not what happens though no, it's not, no, and it's again. You know it's everything has to be sensationalized yeah, yeah, the left never does I mean not with the dei, they don't be well, obviously, because they're. They're the ones that put it in place and are huge fans of it. Yeah, I still don't like it, so.
Speaker 1:So here's the problem, though, and here's the problem, though, and here's the problem. I think that that people on the left feel like it's a dog whistle, and that is that mindset makes it seem as if female pilots are less qualified than what a male pilot would be, and that that's where I think the problem is, because I don't, I don't know that that would I mean. Could there be female pilots that are more able? Absolutely, in my mind, I, I, I would never say, you know, this is not one of the things that I, I would say a woman could never do better than a man.
Speaker 1:You know, I just and I think that's where a lot of the rub is is it's like everything gets she's a woman, so that's the cause of the accident. Dude, there's thousands of accidents caused by white males and we're not looking at them like oh, you did it because you're white. No, like it doesn't always have to be that. It can be mechanical failure, it can be lack of training, it can be an accident, like there's 2 million people that fly every single day in this country. There's going to be accidents, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:And you know I mean like you can't.
Speaker 1:you know, it's like handing everybody a cup of water and saying nobody spill the water, so you're spilling the water.
Speaker 2:But you have to look at every one of those and say could this have been prevented? Could you say that with the white guys though? Oh, absolutely Right. No, that's what I mean. But you have to look at every situation. You have to see, say what caused this and could it have been prevented? Right, you know, there was a, there was a guy last year, and this, this barely made the news. I think it only made local news where it happened. But I happened to stumble across it because I was investigating some of these accidents and there was a guy that flew out of Hawaii. It was a passenger jet flew out of Hawaii, got to about I think it was a thousand feet and plummeted to like within 200 feet of the ocean. Oh, the plane did the plane did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those are with full crew.
Speaker 2:So you've heard this A hundred percent. And then it climbed out Yep. So come to find out the guy behind the controls is a DEI hire. They've proven that fire. They've. They've proven that he. He was fired from two previous airlines and had a history of panicking in the simulator under emergencies and just pressing random buttons. Right now. That doesn't mean that what happened was because he panicked and started pressing random buttons. Sure, because he panicked and started pressing random buttons sure, but it does bring up.
Speaker 1:Did that factor in somehow? So that would be a hiring practices issue. No different right? No, I just said that. No different than you get a police force who happened to hire this guy who's been fired from three different police forces for police brutality, absolutely, and then he shoots some unarmed person. Well, but I mean, I'm just talking in generalities, like I mean, but you've seen it different police forces for police brutality, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And then he shoots some unarmed person.
Speaker 1:Well, but I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm just talking in generalities, like I mean but you've seen it.
Speaker 1:You're asserting that he was fired for police brutality and you don't know that. Regardless if he's fired from one position, if you're fired as a pilot, you probably shouldn't be able to be a pilot anywhere else.
Speaker 2:Agreed Like, agreed Sorry.
Speaker 1:But and the only reason he was brought in was because I was going to make the claim that a white cop was a D I hire. No, I'm making the claim that that if he was a black cop that did the same thing. It's like oh, they only hired him because he was a black guy. Like no, they're people are shit bag people. Whether they're white, black, gray, green, it doesn't matter. Like that guy a shitbag person.
Speaker 1:I'm saying he was unqualified to be a pilot Right and I'm saying regardless of age, gender race, creed, national origin, none of that matters.
Speaker 2:It does matter because if it wasn't for his race, he wouldn't have been hired.
Speaker 1:That's my point and that's why I find that very hard to believe Like why you would take somebody that's not qualified and say, hey, yes, I'm going to put you in front of Thank you.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Republican Party. Oh, yeah, right, exactly that's. That's the question that we've been asking this whole time. Right Is why would you hire someone who's unqualified to do the job? Yeah, and you know, we've been told. Well, it's for diversity, it's for equity and it's for inclusion. So welcome to the Republican Party. I'm glad you're finally asking those questions. No that's definitely not part of the.
Speaker 2:Republican Party. For those wondering, it definitely is, but thank you for joining our side. I love it. It's your last show, by the way. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, because now we're on the same side.
Speaker 1:We're never going to be on the same side.
Speaker 2:I can promise Now we're on the same side, we can't continue, yeah, but the Toronto one is going to be interesting because there were definitely things in the landing sequence that were missed. But I was going to say you know? You were saying you know, can women be qualified pilots? And I can.
Speaker 2:I've been in aviation a long time, either from an interest standpoint or I've actively participated time either from an interest standpoint or I've actively participated. And you know, if I go to an air show for example, I went to Oshkosh last year, which is the largest air show in America, and it was the first time I'd ever gone, but, wanting to go my whole life finally went and there was a girl there who was an F-16 pilot and you know, when I saw her I didn't think DEI, I thought badass, chick, like, like this girl, because I know what it takes to get. I don't know what it takes. I have a glimpse of what it takes to get to that level and it is non-stop train study. You don't do anything else, right? Uh, for like four or five years, right before they let you, and especially as an air show pilot, like you have to be elite. So what I'm? I look at her and I go that is a badass chick, that is an elite f-16 pilot right there. If they're letting her do this right. Um, you know, I I saw a video today, uh, of an f-22 that was getting ready to launch.
Speaker 2:So they were going through the sequence of you know the pilot. It's really interesting to watch because there's such a routine to it. So he was, you know, climbing in the cockpit. Well, he happened to be black. I didn't look at that guy and think, oh, that's a DEI hire. I looked at that guy and I was like that's a badass pilot, right, because if he's flying an F-22, you don't think that's the place to do it.
Speaker 1:I mean, if that's, if that's truly happening, it's one thing. If you're talking about somebody that's piloting a plane, if you're talking about a mechanic, if you're talking about like those, I don't care if it is, I don't care what they like. The fact that there is the, the, the race or the sex, even on an application, makes no sense to me. It doesn't matter who cares. If you're qualified and you know what you're doing, that's what matters.
Speaker 2:Period. There's a guy on YouTube that I follow and he decided in his so this is, this is the path I went down was because of him. He decided at the age of 51, he was going to change careers and he was going to become a pilot because he'd always wanted to do it. So he started a YouTube channel to kind of follow his progress. I started following him. Well, through this YouTube channel he started meeting more and more pilots that were kind of guiding him and reaching out to him. You know, in his email and at one point he brought up the whole hiring practices that are going on now and he asked on his channel he was like if you have firsthand knowledge about any of this, please reach out to me. Just let me know what your experience is. He reported back and he said he got an email from someone that he ended up having a phone conversation with and it was a captain at an airline and he you know, of course, would you know couldn't say his name. But this guy has no political agenda. He's just I'm getting into the airlines. I just I've I've heard this is happening. I just wanted to find out for myself.
Speaker 2:He said this guy reached out to him and said here's what's happening Unqualified people are being hired to be co-pilots in the airlines and they're being paired up with, you know, the boomer generation of qualified pilots. And he said they make mistakes all the time and they're horrible mistakes. They're mistakes that if they don't have someone qualified next to them, people are going to get killed. And he said the problem is the boomer generation is retiring and they're not going to be around to save the airline industry. And you go at the. What are the people called that? Do the the work.
Speaker 1:Air traffic control. Air traffic control when, when, when the government goes after them for either their contracts or their cause, most of them are union, so they've been demonized for forever. That you know how dare you want to join a union. I think you're gonna like when you. It's like a police force. Now, years ago that was, that was a job that people looked up to. You know, people looked up to the police officers back in the day and it's like like you ask any five-year-old and they're like oh, I want to be a police officer because it's like a heroic job. Pilots, I think, are in kind of that same category, like they're just they're looked up to right.
Speaker 1:I think that's less and less now that they get more and more demonized, and when you demonize them over and over and over again, I feel like it's less yeah, but it's not the right.
Speaker 2:That's demonizing them.
Speaker 1:Oh, it always is the right always because they're, because they're union, because they're union people, it's, it's they greedy, the police aren't being demonized by the right.
Speaker 2:They're being demonized by the left because they're doing their job and anytime a white cop has an interaction, are we talking about the cops? Are we talking about the cops? We're talking about the cops. I'm talking about the. You brought up the cops first. You said this is what it's like to be a cop. Now, nobody wants to be a Because they're being demonized. They're being demonized by the left, okay. They're not being demonized by the right, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:And I'm not talking about that. I just said, when I answered that question, I was answering about the and pilots aren't being demonized by the right.
Speaker 2:Okay, absolutely, not 100%.
Speaker 1:The right might demonize unions, but they're not demonizing pilots when they go at them and call them greedy greedy people for wanting to get a raise and greedy for for wanting better working conditions. That is demonizing. Happens every time there's a contract negotiation.
Speaker 2:I've never heard. I've never heard anyone on the right, ronald.
Speaker 1:Reagan had the hugest fight with them of anybody.
Speaker 2:Ronald Reagan had a fight with them, but but they were going to quit working and he said oh, you can't do that, they absolutely can. Then give us what we want.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then give us what we want. If we're that important, pay us what we deserve. So we're just held hostage by these, oh okay, that makes a lot of sense. It does.
Speaker 1:Because if you need them, we don't negotiate with terrorists, okay, but you let them bring your planes in, that's okay. I let them bring my planes in. The air traffic controllers, they're the ones that control the planes coming in. Oh yeah, yeah. So they're not terrorists, they are people that are trying to make a living with you. Isn't it the highest suicide rate job, one of the highest suicide rate jobs? The air traffic control, because the level of stress, I think it's a high rate. But I don't think it's a high rate, but I don't think it's that okay, I don't think it's anywhere near the highest, okay, I remember, I don't know that, right, I mean just because I mean you think about you've got one person I mean you got more than one, but one person making the call of every single plane coming and going I mean yes, that's insane.
Speaker 1:That's not how it works okay, but whatever. Anyway, it's freaking insane, yeah, but no, that's so. It is a stressful job, right. So I think we are getting where where we went off. Path is police are demonized, airlines are demonized. Obviously, it's up, it's opposite parties and opposite reasons. Okay, that's what I was, that I mean that that's what I can get. I don't.
Speaker 2:I've never heard, and I may just have not paid attention, right. I've never heard anyone on the right demonize the airline industry. Okay, that I don't know that that's a thing, well.
Speaker 1:I have heard people on the left demonize the police force. Absolutely, I'll tell you that yes, and sometimes it's completely justified.
Speaker 2:The problem is, for every one that is justified, there are 20 that claim it's just like that one and it's not. That's the problem. Okay, we're not looking at these situations objectively. It's like anytime. You cannot, in this country, have an interaction between a white cop and a black person that is not racially motivated. Okay, according to the left. Okay, you cannot have it, and that's the problem okay, so they're rare.
Speaker 1:Are they rare interactions?
Speaker 2:I mean not interactions that turn south um no, they're not rare, I'm just, I'm literally not, but every single one of them.
Speaker 1:I won't say that 99.999 of them is non-compliance that's where it starts, because, because the, because the, the. I can't call him a perpetrator because I don't know what they, you know, there there are still rights, the, the I can't call him a perpetrator Cause I don't know what they, you know, there there are still rights. The suspect, the suspect, the suspect is not doing what the boss says you need to do and the boss being the cop, right, okay, yeah, I agree, and I I don't disagree that that's. Let me back up. I agree that that does happen. I don't agree that the people that are suspects don't have their constitutional rights, that the police force, just in my mind, the ones that are causing the issues, just aren't trained enough on to understand and know. That's what I think some of it is. I'm not going to say 99%, but you're wrong, but that's okay. Yeah, that's fine, I can, so are you, but we'll, I'm not wrong.
Speaker 2:You get pulled over by a cop for speeding or because your tags expired. Whatever Cop comes up to your window and says I pulled you over because your tag expired, I need your license, I need your registration and I need your insurance. What do you do?
Speaker 1:I mean me personally.
Speaker 2:Yeah. What should anyone in that situation do?
Speaker 1:I mean, I will answer this in two ways. One, I will say in my adult life I'm going to do what has been said, what has been asked, as long as it's within reason.
Speaker 2:I will tell you what part of that was not within reason, what part of I need your license, your registration and your insurance, because that's not how the conversation usually goes.
Speaker 1:Tell me how it goes. When they walk up to your car, it's not always give me your license. Registration it's much, much more. Tell me how it. Registration it's much, much more. Tell me how it goes. I mean, we've had this conversation before. Tell me how it goes. What part do you want to know? I mean because I've gotten into some pretty good confrontations with some police officers and it was never because I okay, could you say I was breaking the law. I can look at your truck right now and tell you that there's something on your truck that's breaking the law.
Speaker 2:I was breaking the law, I can look at your truck right now and tell you that there's something on your truck.
Speaker 1:That's breaking the law. I bet you you can't. I can grab. I can grab your exhaust pipe and I can nothing on my car. That's right. I can get a ruler out and I can look at your exhaust pipe factory that doesn't matter, and I can wiggle it more than two inches and that is a loose exhaust and you can get pulled over for it.
Speaker 2:I don't I did it, I got it I got pulled. You would have to see it moving two inches. You can't just pull me over and then take it.
Speaker 1:Oh, you can and they do, and it's a and it's not. And I've said it before, it's not a race issue, it's a class issue. The police look at different classes of people and I was in a lower class of people. I was the trailer park boy and I was the poor kid and I clearly had to deal drugs because I had a nice car and I've I've myself personally.
Speaker 2:This is this is so off the point, though it's not.
Speaker 2:I'll just, I'll just say it this way I watch a lot of police interactions on YouTube. I watch a lot of them, and these police, especially nowadays with cameras, they are way too kind in most cases, in my opinion, way too kind. They come up to the window. Oh, excuse me, sir or ma'am, you know, I pulled you over because your tag's expired. I need your license, I need your registration, I need a copy of your insurance. Oh, you don't have a copy of your insurance. That's fine, let me go run this, you see if you can find that. Let me go run this, you see if you can find that. Call mom whatever you got to do, and I'll be back in just a minute.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's a lot of times how it goes, but normally they get to the window, a lot of times they won't even roll. People won't even roll the window down. I'm not making a race issue here, I'm I'm saying it's, it's across the board. Um, a lot of times they won't even roll the window down. Well, you have to roll the window down. That's part of it, do you? They have to be able to hear you. They have to be able to hear you. Especially if you have tinted windows, they have to be able to make sure that they're safe, that there's nobody hiding in the back pointing a gun at them. So if they request you to roll your window down, roll your window down. If they request your, you have to present a license, you have to present insurance, you have to present proof of registration.
Speaker 2:And if they tell you, if they say, step out of the car, that is, that is a Supreme Court ruling. If they, that is a lawful order, you have to step out of the car. If you're being detained, you're not. No, no, no. They can ask you to step out of the car and you have to step out of the car and you're not allowed. Every why. Why are you asking me to step out of the car? I don't have to step out of the car. No, you do. And the time to fight that is not on the side of the road. If you feel like your rights were violated, that's what the courtroom is for. That's ridiculous. That's the most ridiculous thing ever.
Speaker 1:The supreme court has ruled on that okay, and they also ruled that trump has imminent freaking powers too. So who? I don't care what the Supreme Court said. The fact of the matter is I just want to go on record.
Speaker 2:Wait, you no longer care what the Supreme Court says, so you can no longer use that in any of our discussions here Okay, fair. Because you no longer care what the Supreme Court says. Okay, perfect.
Speaker 1:Anyways, I just want that on record. Anyways, there's a lot more than just that, than what the Supreme Court says about when you get pulled over. Tell me what it is. I don't have it in front of me right now, so you don't even know that. That's the case. I'm telling you right now. It wasn't one sentence, I guarantee that to you right now. It's probably 50 pages of exactly what the law reads and it doesn't get boiled down to do whatever you do, let the cop violate your rights and you worry about that later.
Speaker 1:That is not the boiled down version of it. Under any circumstances, a cop does not have the right to violate your rights, period. No, you can ask for a supervisor to rights, but you're just saying if you want to violate my rights, you can. I didn't say that. That's it. Did not say that If a cop is violating your rights, so you're telling me right now, you're telling me right now, if a cop violates your rights or your daughter's rights, that you're going to say no, no, comply, do whatever he says, we'll fight this in court, because I can promise you it ain't going nowhere in court, I promise you what I told you was the time to fight with the cops about your rights is not on the side of the road, because all it does is go bad from there.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's why people are getting shot. That's why people are getting. People are getting shot because cops don't understand how to deescalate a situation.
Speaker 1:No, they walk up with a power trip. That's. I have seen it with my eyes. That's not. You know how many times I've had, it's true, in some cases.
Speaker 2:You know how many times I've had that's not true.
Speaker 1:You know how many times I've seen the end of a cop's gun. I don't care. Oh okay, that's fine, but it's more than once and never once have I been a violent person, yeah, so so.
Speaker 2:So here you go demonizing the cops. I'm not demonizing the cops.
Speaker 1:I'm dead, so every single cop is bad. I didn't ever said that, never once. Okay, I can tell you. There are bad cops and there are cops that have power traps and there are cops that violate people's rights and they should no longer be employed, and once they're no longer employed, they should not be able to be employed at any other police station.
Speaker 2:I don't, I don't, I don't dispute that, I don't dispute that. But how? But how do you get fired? I'm giving you an example, and it's a real life example. I've watched it a thousand times on no-transcript.
Speaker 1:exact situation. That's the exact situation, I think, where this country has failed our drivers at age people is you go through six months of schooling on how to drive, how to change lanes, how to do all kinds of stuff. What they don't do is have you get pulled over by a police officer and discuss how exactly how you get how to approach the situation, what your rights are, what the police rights are, what the safety rights are. That's not part of the training, which is a big issue. All right.
Speaker 2:My kids. My kids didn't get that training from, from their driver's ed. Okay, you know who they got it from. They got it from me, okay, I. So it's not. I think driver's ed should do it Absolutely. But if drive parents have a responsibility here too, okay, teach your kids how to be pulled over. The problem is the parents that are teaching the kids are the are the ones who are doing this to begin with, okay, and then telling their kids yeah, you don't, you don't have to do, you know, you don't have to follow what they say, so, so anyway, they don't.
Speaker 1:they don't have any rule over you. There are, there are plenty of times where and I can, I can, we can bust out the video from Minnesota right now, where cop walks up to an African-American's car. He hands them his driver's license, he hands them his concealed carry card and say I have a gun on him, I know.
Speaker 2:But. But the problem is that one incident which was wrong, he didn't go to jail, did he? I have no idea what the outcome of that was, but that one incident that was wrong gets blown up into. This is every interaction with the cop.
Speaker 1:No, that's not the case at all, that's absolutely the case.
Speaker 2:That's absolutely the case because now that is a complete exaggeration. No, it's not. It's not because now-.
Speaker 1:And I also see the white cops playing basketball with kids in the inner city and I see like it's not all the like what you're making it out to be.
Speaker 2:Is it? Does it happen a lot?
Speaker 1:The media makes it out to be, and that's what the left makes it. And the media has also shown us every plain flub that's out there right now Like it doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that that's what I absorb. What I'm telling you is that the the there are, there is lack of training. Maybe it's getting better, I don't know, but there is a lack of training in de-escalation policies, practices with police officers. There should be much, much more of it. You get into other countries and it takes a four-year degree to be a police officer. It takes a four-year degree just to be a cop. Here, you don't have to have any college. Okay, the standards are much lower here than what they are elsewhere.
Speaker 2:I'm okay with not having to go to our worthless colleges to become a police officer. Okay and— I mean have a two-year training program, fine, specific to police, I'd be fine with that.
Speaker 1:It takes Amelia more hours to get her cosmetology license than it does for a cop to go through the police academy in the state of Illinois you do more hours to learn how to cut hair. I don't think that's true, 100.
Speaker 2:Can I finish that sentence? I'm telling you the facts, but go ahead, okay. No, no, no, you've got it all figured out I'm telling you the fact. Yeah, I know this you've got it all figured out, okay, yeah, I'm good, oh okay yeah, so anyway I'll just let you continue in your ignorance, that's fine, it's there is.
Speaker 1:There is a number of hours you have to have to to be a police officer. There's a number of hours to be a cosmetologist. That's all I'm saying and that's right.
Speaker 2:But you limit those hours to the police academy. What you limit those hours to the police academy, I'm not following you you're saying 700 hours of cosmetology. It's, and it's, more than a thousand. Not as much in the police academy. Yes, you limit the training hours to the police academy do?
Speaker 1:I did. I have a stroke just now.
Speaker 2:I have no idea what you're trying to say you're saying you're equating cosmetology school right with the police academy. Yes, and you're acting as if the training stops at the police academy. No, I'm saying that's what it takes to get your badge, and so, therefore, they don't have more training than cosmetologists, because once they leave police academy, that's it, they're done.
Speaker 1:On day one, when you walk out of the police force or you walk out of cosmetology school, you have more hours in cosmetology school and that's backwards. That's all I'm saying. And the fact that we can't look at that and say we should train our people better.
Speaker 2:That's not the end of their training, neither is it with cosmetology school.
Speaker 1:You still have to do continuing education. You still do other stuff. You still learn on the job. You still have to do continuing education. You still do other stuff, you still learn on the job. I'm just saying, before you get to the basic bottom rung of the business, you should get better training. We need better training, that's all I'm saying. And the fact that we can't say you know what, more training would never hurt anybody. Learning more about constitutional rights is never going to hurt anybody. Learning more about driving skills or you know what, whatever, whatever the cop is going to learn, better training is better, like why we can't just sit back and say you know what? We have had a lot of confrontations in this you know particular community. Maybe we should, uh, maybe we should do some better training.
Speaker 2:So if you, if you're a cop, and you pull someone over and you have a legitimate reason, their tags expired you'd say can you? Pull them over and you have a legitimate reason their tag's expired, you say, and you pull them over and you say I pulled you over because your tag's expired.
Speaker 2:I need your license, registration and proof of insurance. And they tell you, no, okay, how do you deescalate that situation? I'm not a cop? Do you just then say, okay, have a nice day, I'll see you later? Of course not. And then you say to them listen, I need your license, I need your registration, I need your proof of insurance. If you don't provide that, that's obstruction and you can be arrested. And I don't want to arrest you, but I will have to. If you don't provide those, I'm not giving you anything. You had no reason to pull me over.
Speaker 2:How do you deescalate? I'm not stepping out of the car, okay. How do you de-escalate that?
Speaker 1:I'm going to answer it the same way. I'm not trained in it. That's why I'm not a police officer, but cops that could learn some psychology and learn how to get around that stuff would be better for everybody so are police supposed to have any authority in this in this country?
Speaker 2:what do you mean? I'm asking you a basic Are they supposed to have authority in this country?
Speaker 1:Authority that doesn't violate rights 100% Sure.
Speaker 2:In the scenario I just gave you, are any rights being violated?
Speaker 1:I don't believe so, but I don't know that for a fact, because here's the thing I've also watched.
Speaker 2:I can't even I've also watched. It's so hard to have a logical conversation.
Speaker 1:Because I've watched the attorneys go through a field sobriety test or a check.
Speaker 1:Which had nothing to do with this scenario. Hold on, they hold up their driver's license. They hold up their you know a sign that says I'm not. You know, I'm not willing to have a conversation with you. Here's the the, the information that you're required. That is what the law allows. So I'm not going to look and say that if this guy in the car holds his driver's license up and hold something up to the window that he doesn't, at that point, fulfill his obligation as a citizen, I don't know that law. That's why I'm saying I don't know that he is or isn't violating anything you don't know. You don't have to answer questions.
Speaker 2:Okay, you do not. That is fully within your right. Right, you do have to provide a license, you have to provide registration, you have to provide proof of insurance. Okay, and I don't know that Like.
Speaker 1:That's all I'm saying. You don't know that you're supposed to do that. I don't know that you have to do that for by law, I don't, I don't, I just don't know. That's all I'm saying. Do I get asked for it? I 100% do. But I'm telling you right now, the, the, the um attorney that rolled through the, the sobriety test, didn't do all of that and he didn't get in trouble for it because he was within his rights. So I have no idea. That's all I'm saying. Could it be 100%? Could it not be 100%? I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's it. My scenario was they didn't even show a license. Okay and so, and then they were told license. And then they were told that's obstruction. If you don't give me a license, registration, proof of insurance, I have to take you to jail because you're obstructing. I'm not giving you anything. Step out of the car. I'm not stepping out. I didn't do anything wrong. I'm not stepping out. Do police have authority or not?
Speaker 1:They have authority to up until they violate rights.
Speaker 2:Yes, Okay, so no rights have been violated yet. Okay, so how do you enforce?
Speaker 1:that authority. You don't shoot them.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you that that's not how you nobody said anybody was going to get shot over they're going to here.
Speaker 1:I can show you where the end of this story is.
Speaker 2:You're right, you're right, anyway, here I can show you where the end of this story is. You're right. You're right anyway. You know what that was. You know what and and and. When they get shot, it'll be just because they got pulled over for an expired tag. That'll be the reason. It won't be because they. It won't be because they didn't comply. They obstructed and then they pulled a weapon on the police it won't be for that reason it'll be because they had an expired tag. Somebody got killed over an expired tag today.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the media, the fact that the and here's the thing if the cop is going to push it to that level over an expired tag, who's?
Speaker 2:pushing. Who's the one that's pushing? They have authority and they have to enforce the law and they're not being complied with. So who's the one that's pushing they?
Speaker 1:both are.
Speaker 2:This is the whole problem with the left right here. This is the whole. What is he supposed to do? Just let him go.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying you have to do anything. Oh, you're not going to comply.
Speaker 2:So, rather than escalate this situation and somebody ends up getting hurt, you just go on disregarding the laws of the United States and we'll just call it good Honest question. And we'll just call it good Honest question. What do they do in Europe?
Speaker 1:That's what the left wants. What do they do? That's exactly what they want. What do they do in Europe when they don't have guns?
Speaker 2:Honest question they use nightsticks and they probably have a citizenry that, for the most part, complies. I don't know what they do, I'm literally legitimately curious. And some of them do have guns. I mean this idea that none of them have guns?
Speaker 1:No, it's the regular patrolmen don't. But yeah, I don't know what they do. I haven't seen it, I mean, and the only reason I ask is because they do have a degree and they have more knowledge and training. And that's all I'm asking. That's a legitimate question.
Speaker 2:I don't know the answer. Listen, if you want more knowledge and training, fine, let's have more knowledge and training. But until you teach the citizenry that they have to comply with police, you're still going to have these situations and that's what I'm saying Before you get a driver's license.
Speaker 1:That should be part of the. That should be part of your training.
Speaker 2:Great, but until then you're saying deescalate, don't enforce the law, just let them go, because you're, otherwise you're pushing. Here's the thing. Otherwise you're pushing and you can't push. You're a police. Come on, you're a policeman, you can't push. I'm not going to go to the level of. You know, I'm going to love it when somebody breaks into your house and you call the police and the police get there and they're like come out, here, we want to talk to you and the guy's like nope that you're pulling them over for a BS reason.
Speaker 1:That part we're not talking about.
Speaker 2:So if they're violating the law, that's a BS reason for pulling them over, and I'm telling you I can go to your truck right now and show that you're breaking over.
Speaker 1:I promise you you can't. I'm telling you right now. Your exhaust moves more than two inches and I've been over for that in my entire vehicle, ransacked over two inch exhaust wiggle. Okay, telling you.
Speaker 2:Okay, I've had it and I would call that BS, but I don't call speeding BS, I don't call an expired tag.
Speaker 1:BS, I got pulled over for cuddling the center line. Yeah, they said I drew.
Speaker 2:My wheels were too close to the center line yeah, well, that was a bad cop who had it out for you oh no, there's no bad cops.
Speaker 1:No, all cops are great.
Speaker 2:No, never no, he's perfect. I never said that there's plenty of bad cops. I never said there weren't bad cops then how, then?
Speaker 1:why can't some of these cops that are shooting people be bad cops? It depends on the situation, because if they shoot a black guy, they're not bad. Is that? Is that what it is, ultimately? Is that what I said?
Speaker 2:That's where we're headed. No, that's not where we're headed. That's not where we're headed at all.
Speaker 1:So here's the thing you can have bad cops 100%. You can have great cops 100%. The fact of the matter is you can't get people on the right to say you know what that guy's a bad guy.
Speaker 2:He shouldn't have done what he did. That's not true. It doesn't happen. Yes, it just happened. In our town there isn't anybody I know who thinks that cop should have shot that woman Nobody. We talked about this, yes, and I didn't know all the circumstances, but now that I do, yeah, there's no reason that woman should have been shot. We've had that conversation, yeah, and there's nobody I know that would say oh, yeah, he was justified in shooting her. Nobody, okay.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's a change of that's a change. We remember when we talked about it.
Speaker 2:She had a pot I told? You was? I don't know, right, because I don't know if you're justified in shooting someone who throws a pot of boiling water at you, right? I don't know. So is he justified or not?
Speaker 1:no, he's not justified because he could have walked away. He could have. He could have gotten distance, he could have gotten distance.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, like what, what, what are you saying?
Speaker 1:I'm agreeing with no, I'm saying the same thing with with all of these you, you don't. You don't have to fight every single situation.
Speaker 2:You don't have to enforce the law and if somebody is fighting you against enforcing the law Against a $34 ticket for an expired plate.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter what, it is Okay, and that's where we differ, why does that matter, because you can mail a ticket to us.
Speaker 2:So that's my question, is what should be done. I pulled you over because you have an expired tag. I'm asking for your credentials. You're refusing to give them to me. I've asked you to step out. I've told you you're going to be arrested if you don't give them to me, because that's the law. I've asked you to step out. You refuse to do that. So you're saying just let them go. It's a $34 ticket. Just let them go, it's a $34 ticket, just let them go. I don't know, but I'm not opposed to it. I'm not opposed to it. Meanwhile, a lot of times when that happens, they end up finding a reason to search the car. And then they find drugs, they find weapons, they find all kinds of stuff. They find out this person's really bad. That's why they don't want interaction with us Potentially.
Speaker 2:But you don't want that to happen. You just want them to deescalate. Let that person go. It's just a $34 ticket. I can tell you myself. So you don't want laws enforced. That's what you're saying. Ultimately, that's what you're saying you don't want laws enforced, or there's a certain threshold of laws you don't want enforced.
Speaker 1:If there's somebody that's got an expired plate and this is just a legitimate question They've got an expired plate and a cop hits his lights on and that person takes off. Yep, what, what, what is? What is the best approach to chase them?
Speaker 2:It depends on the situation.
Speaker 1:That is the situation.
Speaker 2:No it depends on the environment. Okay, what time of day is it, how much traffic is there, how much pedestrian traffic is there? And they make those decisions and they do often call that off.
Speaker 1:Okay, and the thing is, I can see your license plate. I can see that it's an expired tag. Why can't the cops say you know what that's an expired tag? You know I'm going to hit. I'm going to hit my lights or I'm not going to hit my lights, but either way I'm going to send you a ticket. It happens in Iowa right now. If you, if you run a stop or if you run a stoplight, you're getting a ticket, but it's coming in the mail.
Speaker 2:So then that ticket doesn't get paid Okay, right, that ticket doesn't get paid. So then a bench warrant is issued because you have an unpaid traffic violation. And so then the next time that tag gets run, oh, there's a bench warrant, now I have to pull that person over. And so you pull that person over, and then the whole thing starts again. And so now they're not. Even now, immediately you go up and say, hey, you have a bench warrant, I have to arrest you. And they go and they take off. So now you're in a chase again and now you can't let it go because they have a bench warrant. So now you have to, you actually have to bring them in. I mean, you could let it go, but where does the cycle end and when are we going to actually enforce the law?
Speaker 1:Maybe you enforce the law, or maybe you make it where the jails aren't so cushy, so people actually don't want to go to jail.
Speaker 2:I mean I would love that and maybe that fixes some of the situation. I mean, I would love that, but the reason they're so cushy is because the left demands it, because anything else is inhumane treatment. I don't demand it, well, you're. You're sitting on the side of the table that demands, and so if there's 11 of you demanding it and you're sitting on the same side of that, it's not the same as nazis, absolutely no. It's the same argument. I'm not, I'm not. It's the same argument. I'm not complicit in. It is the same, but I am, but I am. I never said you are, yes, you did no. If there, you absolutely did what I will what the quote was you could don't it.
Speaker 2:That's what you told me.
Speaker 1:If there, are 10 people. There's 11 people sitting at a table eating dinner, and one of them is a nazi and there you have 12 nazis.
Speaker 2:That's what you said.
Speaker 1:So if you're so, here's the rest of this, here. Here's the. Here's the meaning behind this. I understand you're sitting down eating dinner.
Speaker 2:That means you're you're sitting down eating dinner with them. You're sitting down there for dinner with those people, so you're for them, yes.
Speaker 1:There you go, that's I'm not sitting down eating dinner with them. Yes, you are you absolutely are.
Speaker 2:Okay. How am I, how am I sitting down eating dinner with them if you're not?
Speaker 1:I didn't say you are I said yes, I said the right, the right, and if you want to be part of the right, that's fine, absolutely you absolutely said to me directly you are condoning it.
Speaker 2:That's what you said.
Speaker 1:If you, if, if you are gonna, we're back to the nazi freaking salute again.
Speaker 2:No, you are I'm not back to you brought it up? No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I brought up your argument, but I didn't bring up, okay, nazism or the salute okay, you did. We don't need to rehash that I think we're done, just because I mean this has gone on. It has gone on, yeah wait I've got shit to do.
Speaker 1:This was going to be 20 minutes and I've got to edit the podcast that was supposed to come out today.
Speaker 2:That's why it didn't get released. Well, because I was, I thought it was tomorrow. So there was no god. I looked, I've been dealing with broken trucks all week.
Speaker 1:I look tired. Without my glasses on, you can see the bags under my eyes. Yes, I don't care, that's age, that's just getting old. Yeah, you're there too.
Speaker 2:All right, everybody wait till you have teenagers don't be guys, no hope. You all had fun I know I did thanks for not listening.